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05-19-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shoelu

To accomplish that and still maintain a relatively flat fleet, we will augment our Boeing deliveries with pre-owned aircraft.

There are 114 deliveries available through 2015.
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Southwest Airlines Returns Value To Shareholders - Yahoo! Finance

Thanks, Shoelu. It looks like they speed up delivery of the -800's for next year (36).

05-19-2013, 08:27 AM

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Thanks, Shoelu. It looks like they speed up delivery of the -800's for next year (36).

My bad, normally I paste the source article so it can be read in its entirety.

05-19-2013, 08:48 AM

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My bad, normally I paste the source article so it can be read in its entirety.

For a second there I was going to suggest you write professionally.

05-19-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Minimums

I know Southwest doesn't have quite as senior pilot group as the others, but still curious about the upgrade time. If a younger fella, say 30, got hired in the next few years, what estimate would the upgrade be? Im assuming 15yr plus?

SWA does not retire 50% of their pilots in the next 20 years so barring massive growth I'd say a new hire today is looking at a 20+ year upgrade. I'm showing about 3,600 age 65 retirements between now and 2030 from a combined list of 8,000. Does anyone have any better numbers or know where to look on SWAPA.ORG?

05-19-2013, 03:23 PM

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Another factor to the fleet size numbers is that several extra 300's are being kept on property as spares due to the higher Mx issues with the older jets. Also keep in mind that with the de-hubbing of ATL there's a need for more seats in the longer-haul markets as SWA starts connecting former AirTran cities to places like HOU, MDW, DEN, BWI.

05-20-2013, 01:50 PM

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+1 for 20+ year upgrades in a zero growth environment.

Not that I'm happy about that, but it's a distinct possibility.

Growth will probably occur after the last former AT FO retires (prior to upgrade, of course).

Part of GK's plan to punish ALPA and AT pilots for turning down the first offer.

05-20-2013, 06:33 PM

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I heard lots of senior FOs were bypassing so as not to be stuck at the bottom when the AT guys upgrade. What is the hire date of the last SWA upgrade?

April 2004

05-20-2013, 07:02 PM

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FWIW, Had a CP on the jumpseat and talk naturally turned to hiring. One comment he did say was that he was fielding a lot of calls from junior SWA FOs about the potential hiring situation at Delta.

05-20-2013, 07:44 PM

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I sure got chastised by the WN guys on here a while back for pointing this out a while ago. They said I couldn't be right.

Well, told ya so!

05-20-2013, 07:57 PM

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I sure got chastised by the WN guys on here a while back for pointing this out a while ago. They said I couldn't be right.

Well, told ya so!

I applaud it, especially if they're senior to me! Heck, even if they are junior to me I applaud it. I sincerely hope everyone in this profession has the opportunity to one day wind up at their job of choice.