Southwest hiring info
11-28-2014, 01:22 PM
#681
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
I didn't say the words "industry leading". I said "industry standard" - but maybe industry common would have been more accurate.
SW reserves have more days off than any other carrier. That's true...if you live in base. However, like almost every other trip, reserves are not commutable on both ends. JetBlue, for example, starts people on a PM RAP and moves them incrementally to an AM RAP by the last day of the period. (they also offer long call for the first few days of groupings > 4 days, but that's neither here nor there).
So a commuter at jetBlue might get the full 12 days off. At SW, yes they'll get 15 or 16 days off, but if they live out of base they're commuting on 4-5 of those days, bringing the total down to an equitable 11-12 days "off". Granted it's a pilot's choice to commute, but it's a reality of this business so they should be intellectually honest when comparing reserve at SW to their competitors.
SW also does not have long call reserve. That means commuters must be in domicile at the beginning of their RAP even if there isn't any flying to assign. There is no reserve trip ownership. Reserves are not typically released on the last day of a reserve pairing even if staffing is excellent and there is no flying to assign. If a reserve pilot returns to domicile on the last day, they are not typically released. Instead they are to remain telephone contactable until the end of their RAP which, for a commuter amounts to on site standby.
With regard to dropping trips, you can never "drop" a trip. There is a trade board where you can attempt to give away your trip. If someone is willing to take it, that's great. If not, you're stuck with it.
SW reserves have more days off than any other carrier. That's true...if you live in base. However, like almost every other trip, reserves are not commutable on both ends. JetBlue, for example, starts people on a PM RAP and moves them incrementally to an AM RAP by the last day of the period. (they also offer long call for the first few days of groupings > 4 days, but that's neither here nor there).
So a commuter at jetBlue might get the full 12 days off. At SW, yes they'll get 15 or 16 days off, but if they live out of base they're commuting on 4-5 of those days, bringing the total down to an equitable 11-12 days "off". Granted it's a pilot's choice to commute, but it's a reality of this business so they should be intellectually honest when comparing reserve at SW to their competitors.
SW also does not have long call reserve. That means commuters must be in domicile at the beginning of their RAP even if there isn't any flying to assign. There is no reserve trip ownership. Reserves are not typically released on the last day of a reserve pairing even if staffing is excellent and there is no flying to assign. If a reserve pilot returns to domicile on the last day, they are not typically released. Instead they are to remain telephone contactable until the end of their RAP which, for a commuter amounts to on site standby.
With regard to dropping trips, you can never "drop" a trip. There is a trade board where you can attempt to give away your trip. If someone is willing to take it, that's great. If not, you're stuck with it.
11-28-2014, 02:45 PM
#682
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 737 Right
Posts: 305
but, while we're talking -- could we please just get a fricking new CBA with COLA? Is that so hard with a profitable company? OK -- rant over
11-28-2014, 03:39 PM
#683
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 310
[QUOTE
but, while we're talking -- could we please just get a fricking new CBA with COLA? Is that so hard with a profitable company? OK -- rant over[/QUOTE]
Not just COLA. COLA +++
COLA......IS FLATTISH! Why aim so low?
Perfect example of why management plays chess and pilots play tiddly winks.
but, while we're talking -- could we please just get a fricking new CBA with COLA? Is that so hard with a profitable company? OK -- rant over
[/QUOTE]Not just COLA. COLA +++
COLA......IS FLATTISH! Why aim so low?
Perfect example of why management plays chess and pilots play tiddly winks.
11-28-2014, 05:16 PM
#684
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,826
COLA......IS FLATTISH! Why aim so low?
Perfect example of why management plays chess and pilots play tiddly winks.[/QUOTE]
Seriously!!!! Record profits, the execs raking in the coin, and we're asking for &#}£ing COLA?! Are you kidding me? We are probably at the most advantageous time in our careers to legitimately and justifiably make some major gains in our respective CBAs and yet the mindset is "COLA". Gimme a friggin' break.
Ask yourself this.....if the schit hit the fan, would they only be asking for negative COLA type of concessions? NO!!!! They'd be asking to rape and pillage our CBA "so the company can stay alive". Well, the schit has hit the fan in the opposite direction so show me the $ baby, because management is surely showing themselves and the shareholders the $.
I want some major gains and I want them yesterday and I want full retro for all the time they've gotten an interest free loan by dragging Section 6 negotiations out.
11-28-2014, 05:44 PM
#685
Looking for a laugh
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Posts: 4,099
11-28-2014, 06:18 PM
#686
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 200
I didn't say the words "industry leading". I said "industry standard" - but maybe industry common would have been more accurate.
SW reserves have more days off than any other carrier. That's true...if you live in base. However, like almost every other trip, reserves are not commutable on both ends. JetBlue, for example, starts people on a PM RAP and moves them incrementally to an AM RAP by the last day of the period. (they also offer long call for the first few days of groupings > 4 days, but that's neither here nor there).
So a commuter at jetBlue might get the full 12 days off. At SW, yes they'll get 15 or 16 days off, but if they live out of base they're commuting on 4-5 of those days, bringing the total down to an equitable 11-12 days "off". Granted it's a pilot's choice to commute, but it's a reality of this business so they should be intellectually honest when comparing reserve at SW to their competitors.
SW also does not have long call reserve. That means commuters must be in domicile at the beginning of their RAP even if there isn't any flying to assign. There is no reserve trip ownership. Reserves are not typically released on the last day of a reserve pairing even if staffing is excellent and there is no flying to assign. If a reserve pilot returns to domicile on the last day, they are not typically released. Instead they are to remain telephone contactable until the end of their RAP which, for a commuter amounts to on site standby.
With regard to dropping trips, you can never "drop" a trip. There is a trade board where you can attempt to give away your trip. If someone is willing to take it, that's great. If not, you're stuck with it.
SW reserves have more days off than any other carrier. That's true...if you live in base. However, like almost every other trip, reserves are not commutable on both ends. JetBlue, for example, starts people on a PM RAP and moves them incrementally to an AM RAP by the last day of the period. (they also offer long call for the first few days of groupings > 4 days, but that's neither here nor there).
So a commuter at jetBlue might get the full 12 days off. At SW, yes they'll get 15 or 16 days off, but if they live out of base they're commuting on 4-5 of those days, bringing the total down to an equitable 11-12 days "off". Granted it's a pilot's choice to commute, but it's a reality of this business so they should be intellectually honest when comparing reserve at SW to their competitors.
SW also does not have long call reserve. That means commuters must be in domicile at the beginning of their RAP even if there isn't any flying to assign. There is no reserve trip ownership. Reserves are not typically released on the last day of a reserve pairing even if staffing is excellent and there is no flying to assign. If a reserve pilot returns to domicile on the last day, they are not typically released. Instead they are to remain telephone contactable until the end of their RAP which, for a commuter amounts to on site standby.
With regard to dropping trips, you can never "drop" a trip. There is a trade board where you can attempt to give away your trip. If someone is willing to take it, that's great. If not, you're stuck with it.
11-29-2014, 05:46 AM
#687
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: B737 Captain
Posts: 236
SW reserves have more days off than any other carrier. That's true...if you live in base. However, like almost every other trip, reserves are not commutable on both ends. JetBlue, for example, starts people on a PM RAP and moves them incrementally to an AM RAP by the last day of the period. (they also offer long call for the first few days of groupings > 4 days, but that's neither here nor there).
SW also does not have long call reserve. That means commuters must be in domicile at the beginning of their RAP even if there isn't any flying to assign. There is no reserve trip ownership. Reserves are not typically released on the last day of a reserve pairing even if staffing is excellent and there is no flying to assign. If a reserve pilot returns to domicile on the last day, they are not typically released. Instead they are to remain telephone contactable until the end of their RAP which, for a commuter amounts to on site standby.
With regard to dropping trips, you can never "drop" a trip. There is a trade board where you can attempt to give away your trip. If someone is willing to take it, that's great. If not, you're stuck with it.
SW also does not have long call reserve. That means commuters must be in domicile at the beginning of their RAP even if there isn't any flying to assign. There is no reserve trip ownership. Reserves are not typically released on the last day of a reserve pairing even if staffing is excellent and there is no flying to assign. If a reserve pilot returns to domicile on the last day, they are not typically released. Instead they are to remain telephone contactable until the end of their RAP which, for a commuter amounts to on site standby.
With regard to dropping trips, you can never "drop" a trip. There is a trade board where you can attempt to give away your trip. If someone is willing to take it, that's great. If not, you're stuck with it.
Commutable from OAK to East coast on Reserve is tough. Commutable within a few hour flight is doable. SWA FA's have Airport Standby. Do the pilots want this too?
11-29-2014, 06:01 AM
#689
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: B737 Captain
Posts: 236
a. An unassigned Reserve will be released unless assigned during the first nine (9) hours of his RAP.
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F. Any time a Reserve completes a pairing and returns to domicile, Scheduling will be
contacted. At that time, Scheduling will inform the pilot of the pilot’s status. A pilot will
either be:
1. Given another assignment. Duty time limits must comply with the Maximum Duty
Period Scheduled limits as defined in Section 5.D.2.f. of this Agreement;
2. Continued on duty-if unassigned, the Reserve will be released no later than eight (8) hours
after report time. If called out for an assignment, the reserve must report back to the airport
within a reasonable amount of time but in no case longer than two (2) hours; or
3. Released to rest or released from the Reserve block.
11-29-2014, 06:34 AM
#690
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,715
I think the point that Zap is trying to make is that for no apparent reason, schedules will default to keeping you on the hook until the 8 hour limit. The weather can be great, plenty of reserves on the hook, and you are watching your commuter flight push because schedules didn't want to release you.
I have landed on my last day, called, and been told "OK, just hang out by your phone for two more hours in case something comes up." I looked at the reserve report, and we were stacked with reserves and the system was running as well as it typically does. No reason given, just because. I am a new guy, do I call schedules and ask why or just sit in the lounge and wait? You can guess which I chose.
SWAPA has confirmed that reserves are an issue and that we need better rules. Just because the industry standard is 20 percent doesn't mean that's how we have to do it. I think it is largely ignored just because it is the junior guys on the list doing it and the rules are pretty good. They can just be a little more sensible.
And as far as airport standby goes, we do have it, we just make the company pay us for it so they don't use it. The flight attendants f'ed that one away in my opinion. I sit reserve with several of them in my crash pad and they are being called out all the time to sit in the airport and not getting a cent for it.
I have landed on my last day, called, and been told "OK, just hang out by your phone for two more hours in case something comes up." I looked at the reserve report, and we were stacked with reserves and the system was running as well as it typically does. No reason given, just because. I am a new guy, do I call schedules and ask why or just sit in the lounge and wait? You can guess which I chose.
SWAPA has confirmed that reserves are an issue and that we need better rules. Just because the industry standard is 20 percent doesn't mean that's how we have to do it. I think it is largely ignored just because it is the junior guys on the list doing it and the rules are pretty good. They can just be a little more sensible.
And as far as airport standby goes, we do have it, we just make the company pay us for it so they don't use it. The flight attendants f'ed that one away in my opinion. I sit reserve with several of them in my crash pad and they are being called out all the time to sit in the airport and not getting a cent for it.
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