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Old 05-28-2015, 03:08 AM
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288 this year. 400ish next year is 99% gonna happen, just waiting on a big wig's signature. That 400ish number could even be 500ish depending on retirements/attrition.
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Old 05-28-2015, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
288 this year. 400ish next year is 99% gonna happen, just waiting on a big wig's signature. That 400ish number could even be 500ish depending on retirements/attrition.
Guy just got back from training as intl training officer. He said 300 this year and 600 next. Take for what it's worth.
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Old 05-30-2015, 09:19 AM
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What is the average line credit/trip value? Just trying to run some numbers...
When the APC fact sheet for Southwest says that second year pay is $97, is that a trip value or has that been converted to hours?
Based on the pay scale on APC, how many hours could one expect to be awarded as a junior lineholder each month (before picking up or trading)?
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Old 05-30-2015, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Spark
What is the average line credit/trip value? Just trying to run some numbers...
When the APC fact sheet for Southwest says that second year pay is $97, is that a trip value or has that been converted to hours?
Based on the pay scale on APC, how many hours could one expect to be awarded as a junior lineholder each month (before picking up or trading)?
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The min line value per month is 85, 87, or 89 trips depending on how many days are in the month. The average awarded line value is usually somewhere between 90-100 trips. The $97 on APC is an estimated conversion to an hourly rate so not perfect. 2nd year pay is currently $84.65 per trip.


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Old 05-30-2015, 11:25 AM
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One more data point for you to consider. Supposedly the system wide average is around 1300 trips per year. Take that times the trip rate plus per diem and you'll get a good idea of the average. Then adjust up or down depending on how much you want to work. Also, average days off per month for all lineholders is 17-18.


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Originally Posted by OB Pilot
One more data point for you to consider. Supposedly the system wide average is around 1300 trips per year. Take that times the trip rate plus per diem and you'll get a good idea of the average. Then adjust up or down depending on how much you want to work. Also, average days off per month for all lineholders is 17-18.


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Awesome info! Thanks!
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
288 this year. 400ish next year is 99% gonna happen, just waiting on a big wig's signature. That 400ish number could even be 500ish depending on retirements/attrition.
Actually more dependent on how many used -700s they can get (and they are trying to get as many as possible).

Also, apparently quite a few are taking an early retirement because the market is so good and they're retirement accounts are doing so well.

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Old 05-30-2015, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OB Pilot
One more data point for you to consider. Supposedly the system wide average is around 1300 trips per year. Take that times the trip rate plus per diem and you'll get a good idea of the average. Then adjust up or down depending on how much you want to work. Also, average days off per month for all lineholders is 17-18.


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Your average of 1300 Trips for Pay (TFP) per year is close -- SWAPA says it is closer to 1260 TFP per year. However, that is average. From my experience the real differential lies in whether you live in domicile or commute. I've done both.
Living in domicile, 20 minutes from the airport is an entirely different ball game financially at Southwest.
Last year I flew around 1575 TFP at 3rd year pay of $94.25. That sounds like a lot of flying or TFPs but in actuality as a non-commuter it was pretty easy in my opinion. I only flew 168 days and had a bunch of other days sitting at home on reserve by the pool not getting called in.
If there is ANY WAY you can swing it move to a domicile. Best of luck to all those applying and to those hired -- Welcome Aboard!
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Old 05-31-2015, 05:53 AM
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Your average of 1300 Trips for Pay (TFP) per year is close -- SWAPA says it is closer to 1260 TFP per year. However, that is average. From my experience the real differential lies in whether you live in domicile or commute. I've done both.
Living in domicile, 20 minutes from the airport is an entirely different ball game financially at Southwest.
Last year I flew around 1575 TFP at 3rd year pay of $94.25. That sounds like a lot of flying or TFPs but in actuality as a non-commuter it was pretty easy in my opinion. I only flew 168 days and had a bunch of other days sitting at home on reserve by the pool not getting called in.
If there is ANY WAY you can swing it move to a domicile. Best of luck to all those applying and to those hired -- Welcome Aboard!
I just moved to a SWA base. I just can't for the life of me get them to call for a interview.
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:27 AM
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I just moved to a SWA base. I just can't for the life of me get them to call for a interview.

^^^^^ 100% agree
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