SWA to open ATL Base
01-15-2013, 07:54 AM
#171
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Quackers -
Let me say it one more time - get over it! It is done. It is history. If you can't stop your unrelenting hate, anger, ill will, urination and nonstop moaning, then please do yourself a favor (and the rest of us for that matter) and go work somewhere else!
Life to too freakin' short!
Let me say it one more time - get over it! It is done. It is history. If you can't stop your unrelenting hate, anger, ill will, urination and nonstop moaning, then please do yourself a favor (and the rest of us for that matter) and go work somewhere else!
Life to too freakin' short!
01-15-2013, 07:57 AM
#172
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Stealing and extortion is illegal. You can believe what you will but nothing illegal was performed in this SLI. But if I am wrong then ALPA should be gunning with their resources to prove otherwise.
You may not have liked the outcome but it was all fair. It is obvious there are truths from the AT side that they can not admit which is hypocritical in it self.
You are demanding we admit to things that are plainly not true. We were not afraid of arbitration. We just weighed on what we knew vs what we didn't. We could have just as likely done better in arbitration than AT. We will never know now, will we. And guessing its outcome is a fools game at best.
You put all the blame with SWA management, SWAPA, and SWA pilots. You can blame the pilots all you want but we had ZERO input into this process except for the vote. As you are, we are just pawns in this mess. But yet you put no blame on the precise people that did this to you. The ones that sold you out. Now THAT is hypocritical.
You need to be writing nasty letters everyday to your former management and MEC telling them your emotional mis-truths instead of taking it to your future co-workers who absolutely, clearly like yourself, were looking out after their own best interests. And we didn't want this either. Still don't. But as was said earlier we are all pawns in this game and we accept what is and not what could have been.
The choice is all of ours: "Get busy living, or get busy dying"
You may not have liked the outcome but it was all fair. It is obvious there are truths from the AT side that they can not admit which is hypocritical in it self.
You are demanding we admit to things that are plainly not true. We were not afraid of arbitration. We just weighed on what we knew vs what we didn't. We could have just as likely done better in arbitration than AT. We will never know now, will we. And guessing its outcome is a fools game at best.
You put all the blame with SWA management, SWAPA, and SWA pilots. You can blame the pilots all you want but we had ZERO input into this process except for the vote. As you are, we are just pawns in this mess. But yet you put no blame on the precise people that did this to you. The ones that sold you out. Now THAT is hypocritical.
You need to be writing nasty letters everyday to your former management and MEC telling them your emotional mis-truths instead of taking it to your future co-workers who absolutely, clearly like yourself, were looking out after their own best interests. And we didn't want this either. Still don't. But as was said earlier we are all pawns in this game and we accept what is and not what could have been.
The choice is all of ours: "Get busy living, or get busy dying"
How many years have we had to listen to all the reasons UAL, DAL, NWA, CAL, USA, AA suck and how MUCH better SWA is. SWA has great leadership, SWA works with its unions, SWA values its employees, SWA is a family etc etc and now you are telling me you're only a pawn???
Which is it? SWA rocks cause management loves labor and it's a family culture or you are simply a pawn played by GK?
You can't have it both ways.......
01-15-2013, 08:03 AM
#173
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Quackers -
Let me say it one more time - get over it! It is done. It is history. If you can't stop your unrelenting hate, anger, ill will, urination and nonstop moaning, then please do yourself a favor (and the rest of us for that matter) and go work somewhere else!
Life to too freakin' short!
Let me say it one more time - get over it! It is done. It is history. If you can't stop your unrelenting hate, anger, ill will, urination and nonstop moaning, then please do yourself a favor (and the rest of us for that matter) and go work somewhere else!
Life to too freakin' short!
01-15-2013, 08:20 AM
#174
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Really, pawns? Where's all this SWA "family" culture I keep hearing about? Every other SWA poster is telling the Air Tran folks "don't worry, once you get to the SWA side we'll take care of you", "we take care of our own", "it'll be much better once you have a SWA ID card."
How many years have we had to listen to all the reasons UAL, DAL, NWA, CAL, USA, AA suck and how MUCH better SWA is. SWA has great leadership, SWA works with its unions, SWA values its employees, SWA is a family etc etc and now you are telling me you're only a pawn???
Which is it? SWA rocks cause management loves labor and it's a family culture or you are simply a pawn played by GK?
You can't have it both ways.......
How many years have we had to listen to all the reasons UAL, DAL, NWA, CAL, USA, AA suck and how MUCH better SWA is. SWA has great leadership, SWA works with its unions, SWA values its employees, SWA is a family etc etc and now you are telling me you're only a pawn???
Which is it? SWA rocks cause management loves labor and it's a family culture or you are simply a pawn played by GK?
You can't have it both ways.......
I know you don't get it because you have not experienced this concept with a big company.
You need to find a bad guy for the change in you life and it is all SWA. Of course it has nothing to do with YOUR family selling you out.
01-15-2013, 09:00 AM
#175
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Yes you can. When it comes to the business side we are pawns. When it comes to my own personal side the company treats me like family.
I know you don't get it because you have not experienced this concept with a big company.
You need to find a bad guy for the change in you life and it is all SWA. Of course it has nothing to do with YOUR family selling you out.
I know you don't get it because you have not experienced this concept with a big company.
You need to find a bad guy for the change in you life and it is all SWA. Of course it has nothing to do with YOUR family selling you out.
My "family" mediated/arbitrated a relative SLI and one in which NO ONE lost their seat or fleet. Also after the SLI when the company moved metal around, our "family" had us pay protected for 2 years if we lost our seat or fleet. What a novel concept......
01-15-2013, 09:32 AM
#176
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You should save your psychobabble analysis attempt for a licensed professional.
My "family" mediated/arbitrated a relative SLI and one in which NO ONE lost their seat or fleet. Also after the SLI when the company moved metal around, our "family" had us pay protected for 2 years if we lost our seat or fleet. What a novel concept......
My "family" mediated/arbitrated a relative SLI and one in which NO ONE lost their seat or fleet. Also after the SLI when the company moved metal around, our "family" had us pay protected for 2 years if we lost our seat or fleet. What a novel concept......
Interesting. What rational reason to you have a dog in this fight? Actually. Nevermind. There is no rational reason to have concerns with nothing that concerns you.
Just here to cause dissension. Something about me needing a license professional?
01-15-2013, 09:54 AM
#177
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01-15-2013, 10:44 AM
#178
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Stealing and extortion is illegal. You can believe what you will but nothing illegal was performed in this SLI. But if I am wrong then ALPA should be gunning with their resources to prove otherwise.
You may not have liked the outcome but it was all fair. It is obvious there are truths from the AT side that they can not admit which is hypocritical in it self.
You are demanding we admit to things that are plainly not true. We were not afraid of arbitration. We just weighed on what we knew vs what we didn't. We could have just as likely done better in arbitration than AT. We will never know now, will we. And guessing its outcome is a fools game at best.
You put all the blame with SWA management, SWAPA, and SWA pilots. You can blame the pilots all you want but we had ZERO input into this process except for the vote. As you are, we are just pawns in this mess. But yet you put no blame on the precise people that did this to you. The ones that sold you out. Now THAT is hypocritical.
You need to be writing nasty letters everyday to your former management and MEC telling them your emotional mis-truths instead of taking it to your future co-workers who absolutely, clearly like yourself, were looking out after their own best interests. And we didn't want this either. Still don't. But as was said earlier we are all pawns in this game and we accept what is and not what could have been.
The choice is all of ours: "Get busy living, or get busy dying"
You may not have liked the outcome but it was all fair. It is obvious there are truths from the AT side that they can not admit which is hypocritical in it self.
You are demanding we admit to things that are plainly not true. We were not afraid of arbitration. We just weighed on what we knew vs what we didn't. We could have just as likely done better in arbitration than AT. We will never know now, will we. And guessing its outcome is a fools game at best.
You put all the blame with SWA management, SWAPA, and SWA pilots. You can blame the pilots all you want but we had ZERO input into this process except for the vote. As you are, we are just pawns in this mess. But yet you put no blame on the precise people that did this to you. The ones that sold you out. Now THAT is hypocritical.
You need to be writing nasty letters everyday to your former management and MEC telling them your emotional mis-truths instead of taking it to your future co-workers who absolutely, clearly like yourself, were looking out after their own best interests. And we didn't want this either. Still don't. But as was said earlier we are all pawns in this game and we accept what is and not what could have been.
The choice is all of ours: "Get busy living, or get busy dying"
01-15-2013, 11:20 AM
#180
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From what I have seen, the reasons why an AT guy would be upset with a SWA pilot is because of the treatment and arrogance that has been shown to the new "family", if you will. There has been a lot of attitudes of "you're beneath us", "we just saved you so kiss our feet" and the list could go on
It is understood that the SWA pilots didn't have a dog in the fight just like the AT pilots. It was a union thing and then management came in and bullied the AT guys, plain and simple. It's sad but it's reality.
This all started with the sale of Airtran. And I have to say that the AT pilot group largely does not care what their BOD did to them because I guess they are gone and they obviously don't give a crap anymore now than they did when they sold you. You guys could have tried to stop this sale but you all were too busy giving high fives to each other thinking you were going to walk right into our seniority and pay rates because you are all entitled. Your #1 pilots and our #1 pilot had a 17 year difference in longevity. Would that be fair? At my seniority level one of your guys one number senior to me would have had 7 years less longevity that I with relative seniority. Is that fair? DOH had its own challenges in our seniority system. That is our perception of the AT work group.
So when you talk of arrogance, It can certainly work both ways. You seem to think that we have nothing to gripe about but you do. Now that is arrogance.
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