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Old 01-08-2013, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by yoke jerker
good luck to you...hate to see a pilot getting threats from venting angst over a deal that kind of went sideways from what you've said..could have had a different outcome.....in retrospect, the BOD maybe should have had a deal for the pilots worked out and attached to the "sale".... kind of a little good will for the folks who made airtran...i have many friends there...
I agree. This would have been good for both sides.

We are all pawns in this game. Blaming the pilots on the other side is short sighted. Being rude to them in the terminal is just being a jerk and won't change anything except the joy of that moment.

I certainly accept that many AT pilots are unhappy with the sale of their company and outcome of the SLI. I may have been also. And I do not expect them to understand that our side also has ill feelings towards the SLI. As well of the pilots at SWA they are naturally more concerned for their own future.

But what is done is done. I don't blame anyone. This is business and we are just part of the cog in the wheel. I just hope the majority of us will be grown up enough not to antagonize each other whether it is passing in the terminal or on a silly anonymous forum as this.

Good luck to us all in this highly unstable industry.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:51 AM
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A wise person once said:

"I would rather be the last one on the seniority list than the first one in the unemployment line."
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SWAblue
I agree. This would have been good for both sides.

We are all pawns in this game. Blaming the pilots on the other side is short sighted. Being rude to them in the terminal is just being a jerk and won't change anything except the joy of that moment.

I certainly accept that many AT pilots are unhappy with the sale of their company and outcome of the SLI. I may have been also. And I do not expect them to understand that our side also has ill feelings towards the SLI. As well of the pilots at SWA they are naturally more concerned for their own future.

But what is done is done. I don't blame anyone. This is business and we are just part of the cog in the wheel. I just hope the majority of us will be grown up enough not to antagonize each other whether it is passing in the terminal or on a silly anonymous forum as this.

Good luck to us all in this highly unstable industry.
Probably the most optimistic and sensible thing that anyone (including myself) has said since this thread opened.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JDFlyer
A wise person once said:

"I would rather be the last one on the seniority list than the first one in the unemployment line."


Half of our F/Os got stapled. In the event of a furlough, they're that much more likely to be in the unemployment line. Save it.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:56 AM
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Half of our F/Os got stapled. In the event of a furlough, they're that much more likely to be in the unemployment line. Save it.
You are obviously not a wise person.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JDFlyer
You are obviously not a wise person.
Obviously.........
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:08 PM
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with age 65 kicking in, i doubt they would be in line long if there were furloughs......but of course there is nowhere, i repeat nowhere a guy could make the kind of money as an FO as they can at SWA......
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Originally Posted by yoke jerker
with age 65 kicking in, i doubt they would be in line long if there were furloughs......but of course there is nowhere, i repeat nowhere a guy could make the kind of money as an FO as they can at SWA......
Really? There's only about 1,200 retirements in the next 10 years at the new SWA. While that's certainly nothing to sneeze at it's also not quite as earth-shattering as some of the retirement numbers at the legacies. We've now got almost 8,000 pilots. 1,200 retirements over ten years is not all that much.

As for the SWA F/O pay, unless you can guarantee me that you'll never take a paycut (concessionary contract), then I really don't want to hear it. We hear that $#^! all the time. It's not a valid excuse for giving up that much seniority. Seniority is forever, contracts fluctuate.

Besides, for many of the downgrades, SWA F/O pay is a PAYCUT.
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How many retirements did AT have coming in the next 10 years?

Totally rhetorical of course. SWA brought many more "retirements" to the table vs AT. FAT will dominate the SWA seniority list in 15 years.
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
How many retirements did AT have coming in the next 10 years?

Totally rhetorical of course. SWA brought many more "retirements" to the table vs AT. FAT will dominate the SWA seniority list in 15 years.
I guess "many more" is relative when WN only has a slightly better retirement outlook than FL....
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