Whoa Whoa Nelly
08-19-2012, 05:19 PM
#31
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Sink R8: you wrote
Then you wrote (bold is mine)
So if you're not comparing, who's all the "you guys" and "you" and "your" you're referring to?
I think we all know the real answer here. You actually are comparing airlines. And trying to do it unfavorably at that!
I think we all know the real answer here. You actually are comparing airlines. And trying to do it unfavorably at that!
08-19-2012, 08:54 PM
#32
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Plus one the WN did a good job of sweeping under the rug at Lafayette, LA (IIRC, not too long before the BUR accident). Granted the Lafayette incident was a running off the ramp, but taxi speed was definitely a player in that one.
08-20-2012, 08:08 AM
#33
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When did SWA start flying into Lafayette (LFT)? New Orleans (MSY) is the only Louisiana city they fly to.
08-20-2012, 08:23 AM
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Quote: The best part about this is no one was hurt. Live and learn.
Not Really -
A six-year-old boy died in a car struck by the plane after it skidded into a street
BTW - did the pilots get canned? If so are they flying today?
Not Really -
A six-year-old boy died in a car struck by the plane after it skidded into a street
BTW - did the pilots get canned? If so are they flying today?
08-20-2012, 08:44 AM
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Sink R8: you wrote...Then you wrote (bold is mine)...So if you're not comparing, who's all the "you guys" and "you" and "your" you're referring to?... I think we all know the real answer here. You actually are comparing airlines. And trying to do it unfavorably at that!
If you can't talk about yourself, and acknowledge your errors, you are bound to repeat them. Sometimes, the scrutiny comes from within, and sometimes it doesn't. If you can't bear that other professionals are critiquing your work, then you're in the wrong line of work, because this is not a foregiving profession.
Now, I don't think my premise is unreasonable: I think you guys (SWA) do a lot of things too fast, I think it's undercutting your (laudable) interest in safety, and the two accidents are proof. You tell me where I'm wrong. Either I'm incorrect that you (generally) do everything fast, or I'm wrong that doing everything fast and doing everything safely are different objectives that are often mutually exclusive.
Which is it?
08-20-2012, 09:11 AM
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Actually I am countering points you are making. To quote you directly: "When it comes to culture we're constantly trying to push doing things right above doing them fast. Because there is often a conflict between the two, and you have to set a hierarchy there. That's the difference I see between our two airlines. So, to recap 1) You are comparing our airlines. 2) You are insinuating that mine puts speed above safety and yours strives to do things correctly above all else. You have pointed to specific incidents and claimed that they were caused by a a culture that puts doing things quickly above safety. It is a false claim. I will not stoop to attempting to drag your company through the mud by bringing up its own safety deficiencies and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from doing the same to mine.
For now, please tell me where I'm wrong about SWA: that you do things fast, or that fast and safe don't always work together. I think you were saying that you do them safe first, fast second, and there is no conflict between the two. Is that correct?
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08-20-2012, 09:26 AM
#38
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You're incorrect that we generally do everything fast.
Pointing the finger at another carrier's safety is bad juju and not professional, particularly when you're a pilot at a major. There are plenty of embarassing incidents at any carrier to flame bait, but that's not the point.
I've seen plenty of unsafe practices and incidents out there from other carriers, but I don't see any point in publicly pointing the finger nor would I write them up to the FAA. Bad juju.
Pointing the finger at another carrier's safety is bad juju and not professional, particularly when you're a pilot at a major. There are plenty of embarassing incidents at any carrier to flame bait, but that's not the point.
I've seen plenty of unsafe practices and incidents out there from other carriers, but I don't see any point in publicly pointing the finger nor would I write them up to the FAA. Bad juju.
08-20-2012, 09:32 AM
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OK, so you're the third guy to tell me this. SWA doesn't do everything fast. I'm incorrect, and the stereotype is also incorrect.
I might have had an unusual set of experiences with SWA. And my own observations could be off. But, if the stereotype is wrong, how do you think it got started? You think it's just an aberration?
I might have had an unusual set of experiences with SWA. And my own observations could be off. But, if the stereotype is wrong, how do you think it got started? You think it's just an aberration?
08-20-2012, 10:01 AM
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Considering the amount of time we spent close to the ground, compared to everyone else, I think we do a good job. Statistics seem to support that. To imply that we and our company aren't doing a good job, or trying to improve on what we do is in incredibly poor taste. Do you seriously think we don't learn from these incidents?
And yes, we make mistakes. I quess if we were slow like you, we wouldn't?
And yes, we make mistakes. I quess if we were slow like you, we wouldn't?
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