SW Pilots...any raises in 2013/2014???
06-08-2012, 05:00 AM
#11
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Not only does SWA have multipile hubs but they feed the crap out of them. As for the 717, I don't think its fair to say they "can't sustain" it. They just would prefer to eliminate the additional type because it is a redundant type. There is very little it can do that the small 737 (the overwhelming, vast supermajority of their fleet anyway) can't do. So they are trying to cut the type not because they can't handle another type but because they prefer not to have different types for overlapping missions. That's just smart business. The little they lose on routes the small 73 isn't quite as optimal as the 717 they more than make up in fleet wide effeciency and an ultra small training bubble.
SWA will get at least one more type, probably within the next 5-10 years for sure. They will get cocky and try long haul international and they will get their clocks cleaned big time, but they are arrogant enough to try it because they think they have the midas touch "culture" or whatever. But unless they time it with one or more legacy liquidations, they will lose their shirts on that gamble unless they stay strictly limited to oddball niche long haul markets. Even then its iffy.
SWA will get at least one more type, probably within the next 5-10 years for sure. They will get cocky and try long haul international and they will get their clocks cleaned big time, but they are arrogant enough to try it because they think they have the midas touch "culture" or whatever. But unless they time it with one or more legacy liquidations, they will lose their shirts on that gamble unless they stay strictly limited to oddball niche long haul markets. Even then its iffy.
If SW goes into long haul international flying they lose all the advantages they have with their current system. Even flying short haul international to SA will kill some of the advantages they have. Hard to do a 30 minute turn on a aircraft arriving from Costa Rica when customs does not release the aircraft for a hour.
06-08-2012, 03:39 PM
#12
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After what Southwest pilots just did to the AirTran pilots and their families, why in the world would anyone want to be bought by Southwest?
Thousands of kids just had their quality of life severly impacted. From the lack of pay credit compared to the many, many years prior to Southwest to what it is going to be like in the coming couple of years remaining at AirTran.
Then, the taking of all Captain seats and loss of seniority which any person in this industry knows all the impacts of QOL items that represents. All the families in Atlanta are really looking forward to the commute of their wives and husbands the day before or the day after they are suppose to be home. I guess they could just pack up and disrupt the thousands of kids lives and their spouses career to move across country so they won't have to commute.
.......and to that poor Captain who was so upset in SFO and telling the large crowd of business travelers and fellow airline employee - he only got a 6% bump in seniority. Poor guy.
Thousands of kids just had their quality of life severly impacted. From the lack of pay credit compared to the many, many years prior to Southwest to what it is going to be like in the coming couple of years remaining at AirTran.
Then, the taking of all Captain seats and loss of seniority which any person in this industry knows all the impacts of QOL items that represents. All the families in Atlanta are really looking forward to the commute of their wives and husbands the day before or the day after they are suppose to be home. I guess they could just pack up and disrupt the thousands of kids lives and their spouses career to move across country so they won't have to commute.
.......and to that poor Captain who was so upset in SFO and telling the large crowd of business travelers and fellow airline employee - he only got a 6% bump in seniority. Poor guy.
Last edited by Brakes Set; 06-08-2012 at 03:45 PM. Reason: repeated wording
06-09-2012, 09:58 AM
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Brakes Set,
As to what "Southwest Pilots" did, not our doing.
As I remember it was the AirTran MEC that screwed the pooch. Sucks your cheese got moved. You did it to your selves. SLI passed with nearly identical % on both sides.
If you are at AirTran I hope you can find a Happy Place at SWA.
LUV,
GERZ
As to what "Southwest Pilots" did, not our doing.
As I remember it was the AirTran MEC that screwed the pooch. Sucks your cheese got moved. You did it to your selves. SLI passed with nearly identical % on both sides.
If you are at AirTran I hope you can find a Happy Place at SWA.
LUV,
GERZ
Last edited by gerz; 06-09-2012 at 09:59 AM. Reason: typo
06-10-2012, 06:35 PM
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Brakes Set,
As to what "Southwest Pilots" did, not our doing.
As I remember it was the AirTran MEC that screwed the pooch. Sucks your cheese got moved. You did it to your selves. SLI passed with nearly identical % on both sides.
If you are at AirTran I hope you can find a Happy Place at SWA.
LUV,
GERZ
As to what "Southwest Pilots" did, not our doing.
As I remember it was the AirTran MEC that screwed the pooch. Sucks your cheese got moved. You did it to your selves. SLI passed with nearly identical % on both sides.
If you are at AirTran I hope you can find a Happy Place at SWA.
LUV,
GERZ
06-11-2012, 12:25 PM
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Hello Again WM,
I cannot accept responsibility for what your pilot group agreed to. I think you over played your hand and SWA, not SWAPA, called your bluff.
Your group was always ****ed off at either your management or union or both. I guess your life at SWA will be no different. If only you could go to Delta with the 717s!! I'm sure Delta would take care of you and make you feel wanted! I suppose you can continue to dream about what might have been, I try to live in the present.
I do hope you achieve some peace with your situation. We all have sob stories and you are not unique.
As far as how I sleep, quite well thank you.
Regards,
Gerz
I cannot accept responsibility for what your pilot group agreed to. I think you over played your hand and SWA, not SWAPA, called your bluff.
Your group was always ****ed off at either your management or union or both. I guess your life at SWA will be no different. If only you could go to Delta with the 717s!! I'm sure Delta would take care of you and make you feel wanted! I suppose you can continue to dream about what might have been, I try to live in the present.
I do hope you achieve some peace with your situation. We all have sob stories and you are not unique.
As far as how I sleep, quite well thank you.
Regards,
Gerz
Last edited by gerz; 06-11-2012 at 12:28 PM. Reason: syntax
06-12-2012, 10:51 AM
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Note he said "tied to operating margins." This is the new norm at WN. We are in contract negotiations, there will be no profits, therefore no raises.
06-12-2012, 02:27 PM
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Hello Again WM,
I cannot accept responsibility for what your pilot group agreed to. I think you over played your hand and SWA, not SWAPA, called your bluff.
Your group was always ****ed off at either your management or union or both. I guess your life at SWA will be no different. If only you could go to Delta with the 717s!! I'm sure Delta would take care of you and make you feel wanted! I suppose you can continue to dream about what might have been, I try to live in the present.
I do hope you achieve some peace with your situation. We all have sob stories and you are not unique.
As far as how I sleep, quite well thank you.
Regards,
Gerz
I cannot accept responsibility for what your pilot group agreed to. I think you over played your hand and SWA, not SWAPA, called your bluff.
Your group was always ****ed off at either your management or union or both. I guess your life at SWA will be no different. If only you could go to Delta with the 717s!! I'm sure Delta would take care of you and make you feel wanted! I suppose you can continue to dream about what might have been, I try to live in the present.
I do hope you achieve some peace with your situation. We all have sob stories and you are not unique.
As far as how I sleep, quite well thank you.
Regards,
Gerz
06-13-2012, 04:25 PM
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Yeah, that's right......GFU!!!
06-14-2012, 10:51 AM
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My bank does not give a darn about relative seniority.
They care about $$$$$$.
As a SWA FO, I'LL COMPARE W2s with any AirTran Cappy.
Sucks AT got bought. Your CEO sold you out. Your MEC screwed you.
Stop blaming the SWA pilots.
LUV,
Gerz
They care about $$$$$$.
As a SWA FO, I'LL COMPARE W2s with any AirTran Cappy.
Sucks AT got bought. Your CEO sold you out. Your MEC screwed you.
Stop blaming the SWA pilots.
LUV,
Gerz
06-15-2012, 10:27 AM
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As you are beginning to find out there are some folks you just can't argue with. While I have gone back and forth with the WM, it gets nowhere. I believe in many of his arguments he has some valid concerns but loses me when his anger flares. The problem is there was never going to be a compromise on his part wrt to the SLI. It was HIS SEAT, HIS RELATIVE seniority, and he wanted an ALPA solution to a non-ALPA SLI. Yes it is settled (the SLI), but he will vent and stomp his feet thinking we will "get it." Just as I have said some of our folks will have to come to grips with the situation, he will have to someday. A miserable existence will be the result if he does not.
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