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11-14-2011, 05:39 AM
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I know SWA has been planning on using them to Hawaii, but as was mentioned before the -800s will have serious weight restrictions during the winter.
At CO, we have 160 seats on our -800s (16F/144Y) and it is not uncommon in the winter time out of the west coast to be restricted by 20-30 held seats in coach. If that is the case with CO, isn't SW going to be looking at 35+ held seats at times? At that point wouldn't running -700s FULL both ways be more reasonable?
Granted, east bound coming back you won't face these issues so you can fill them up.
At CO, we have 160 seats on our -800s (16F/144Y) and it is not uncommon in the winter time out of the west coast to be restricted by 20-30 held seats in coach. If that is the case with CO, isn't SW going to be looking at 35+ held seats at times? At that point wouldn't running -700s FULL both ways be more reasonable?
Granted, east bound coming back you won't face these issues so you can fill them up.
11-14-2011, 07:54 AM
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Does CAL have the 27k engines?
ATA used to run 175 seat airplanes from LAX, OAK, ONT, and SFO all the time. True, winter winds would have their effects going westbound. Mitigating factors were also track assignments and cargo. Cargo is where the money is. Generally, we used the biz seat config. (165) because of passenger demand for it and the cargo capabilities were better.
Other issues were going eastbound out of LIH and OGG.
Having said all that, the B737 of any series, is not the best airplane to fly that kind of ETOPS. The B757 was perfect for that job out of LAS and PHX, too.
ATA used to run 175 seat airplanes from LAX, OAK, ONT, and SFO all the time. True, winter winds would have their effects going westbound. Mitigating factors were also track assignments and cargo. Cargo is where the money is. Generally, we used the biz seat config. (165) because of passenger demand for it and the cargo capabilities were better.
Other issues were going eastbound out of LIH and OGG.
Having said all that, the B737 of any series, is not the best airplane to fly that kind of ETOPS. The B757 was perfect for that job out of LAS and PHX, too.
11-19-2011, 08:46 AM
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Its easy for management to make WAGs about starting Hawaii service...before they find out how much it takes to get ETOPS certification.
Allegiant said they were going there with their 757s two years ago. Guess what...not yet.
Not saying SWA won't ever try the Hawaii market, just not as soon as some are saying.
Allegiant said they were going there with their 757s two years ago. Guess what...not yet.
Not saying SWA won't ever try the Hawaii market, just not as soon as some are saying.
11-19-2011, 08:56 AM
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Hawaii is already a low yield market. It will be interesting to see what happens. I hope these new 737-800 have video and audio entertainment.
5 1/2 hours on a 737 with no food or a movie........
11-19-2011, 09:13 AM
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Any chance SWA keeps the XM radio that Airtran has on their 737's and 717's? That would help with the 5 and 1/2 hour flight.
I think making food options available (snack boxes and candy bars) for sale is a logical next step (especially on a flight to/from Hawaii and the CONUS), It allows them to make some extra cash and without killing the 'Bag's Fly Free' campaign.
I think making food options available (snack boxes and candy bars) for sale is a logical next step (especially on a flight to/from Hawaii and the CONUS), It allows them to make some extra cash and without killing the 'Bag's Fly Free' campaign.
11-19-2011, 10:16 AM
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Any chance SWA keeps the XM radio that Airtran has on their 737's and 717's? That would help with the 5 and 1/2 hour flight.
I think making food options available (snack boxes and candy bars) for sale is a logical next step (especially on a flight to/from Hawaii and the CONUS), It allows them to make some extra cash and without killing the 'Bag's Fly Free' campaign.
I think making food options available (snack boxes and candy bars) for sale is a logical next step (especially on a flight to/from Hawaii and the CONUS), It allows them to make some extra cash and without killing the 'Bag's Fly Free' campaign.
11-19-2011, 01:25 PM
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