What do we all really get in this?????
11-03-2011, 08:39 PM
#1
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
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What do we all really get in this?????
I am an AAI pilot looking at how much I loose in my quality of life and how long it takes me to reacquire that given SWAPA's "generous" seniority integration profile.
I can see however that the average SWAPA pilot gets less than a 10% seniority bump while giving up:
1) 80-100 AAI Captain upgrades (probable).
2) A TPA crew base staffed only by AAI until 2015.
3) Scope clause to operate combined operation via a code share. (With no compensation for the givebacks to get that great language in their current contract).
4) 350 IMMEDIATE Captain upgrades only to be taken back by 2015 as most come from senior AAI captains that could and will still hold CAPTAIN by 2015 via the integrated list.
5) For some a decrease in relative retirement seniority.
Basic summary is that the average SWAPA pilot gets less than a years increase in relative seniority for no equity, no crew base, no "real" upgrade gains, loss of scope language for ability to codeshare AAI and SWA with no recouperation for SWAPA pilots losses in negotiating such language, while watching more upgrades at the "aquired airline".
Most SWAPA FO's forget to realize that as they penalize an AAI captain in loss of seniority that the AAI captain will be an FO senior to most of them. This will keep most FO's from upgrading even longer, and reducing quality of life for them in the short term for minor long term increases in relative seniority (less than 1 year for the average SWAPA pilot).
As I see it the average SWAPA Captain takes a hit in the pocket book for the scope language loss, while the average SWAPA FO takes a hit in having a senior AAI Captain senior to him on the list till 2015 when he is allowed to rebid to a Captains position.
I can see however that the average SWAPA pilot gets less than a 10% seniority bump while giving up:
1) 80-100 AAI Captain upgrades (probable).
2) A TPA crew base staffed only by AAI until 2015.
3) Scope clause to operate combined operation via a code share. (With no compensation for the givebacks to get that great language in their current contract).
4) 350 IMMEDIATE Captain upgrades only to be taken back by 2015 as most come from senior AAI captains that could and will still hold CAPTAIN by 2015 via the integrated list.
5) For some a decrease in relative retirement seniority.
Basic summary is that the average SWAPA pilot gets less than a years increase in relative seniority for no equity, no crew base, no "real" upgrade gains, loss of scope language for ability to codeshare AAI and SWA with no recouperation for SWAPA pilots losses in negotiating such language, while watching more upgrades at the "aquired airline".
Most SWAPA FO's forget to realize that as they penalize an AAI captain in loss of seniority that the AAI captain will be an FO senior to most of them. This will keep most FO's from upgrading even longer, and reducing quality of life for them in the short term for minor long term increases in relative seniority (less than 1 year for the average SWAPA pilot).
As I see it the average SWAPA Captain takes a hit in the pocket book for the scope language loss, while the average SWAPA FO takes a hit in having a senior AAI Captain senior to him on the list till 2015 when he is allowed to rebid to a Captains position.
Last edited by Airtran Pilot; 11-04-2011 at 09:28 AM.
11-03-2011, 08:54 PM
#3
Don't want to participate
Joined APC: Jul 2005
Position: 737 Left Seat
Posts: 1,016
Please ignore this guy. He is obviously a not an AirTran.
Like I said, we all have our special cases.
Fake AirTran guy, meet PisteOff a (fake non-AirTran guy.) You are both equally lame.
Like I said, we all have our special cases.
Fake AirTran guy, meet PisteOff a (fake non-AirTran guy.) You are both equally lame.
11-04-2011, 08:02 AM
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: CA
Posts: 1,207
