The question still remains
10-25-2011, 08:18 AM
#173
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I think it's fair to say many Delta pilots feel that we should have sought (and got) significantly more contractual improvements during our merger. That opinion has been expressed many times on the "latest and greatest" thread.
However SWAPA had the opportunity to learn from our mistake and did nothing....
10-25-2011, 10:55 AM
#176
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Monday, November 7th @ noon HT (Herb Time).
Oops, sorry I didn't see the previous post.
I'll bet you guys can't wait to hear the explanation of how some of our finest reset every hotel clock radio to Herb Time.
Oops, sorry I didn't see the previous post.
I'll bet you guys can't wait to hear the explanation of how some of our finest reset every hotel clock radio to Herb Time.
10-25-2011, 11:43 AM
#177
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You may have just pointed out another advantage of strong scope clauses: they can prevent management from doing something stupid. Many airlines have been hoist on the petard of foolish acquisition and expansion to satisfy executive egos.
10-25-2011, 11:56 AM
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But, we have learned from your mistakes. We know how important scope is and have seen how scope relaxation is absolutely the worst thing you can do. The moment this deal came out SWAPA stated emphatically to the membership that no scope clause waivers would be given to help this deal go forward. SWA would love to have already started connecting our networks through code share deals with AirTran, but our contract does not allow it. You ask why we did not recieve any contractual improvements for this deal. The answer is financial rewards would have been predicated on section 1 waivers in order for the company to realize synergies sooner. We will not relax our scope for short term monetary gain, it is simply not worth it and will eventually lead to your demise.
10-25-2011, 12:22 PM
#179
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2. Domestic Codeshare
Southwest Airlines will not enter into a domestic Codeshare Agreement within the fifty (50)
United States without the agreement of the Association.
3. Codeshare for Regional Aircraft Flying
Southwest Airlines will not enter into any domestic or trans-border code share agreement
with a regional carrier or involving a regional aircraft except to provide inter-island service
within the Hawaiian Islands or inter-island service within the Caribbean Islands.
Southwest Airlines will not enter into a domestic Codeshare Agreement within the fifty (50)
United States without the agreement of the Association.
3. Codeshare for Regional Aircraft Flying
Southwest Airlines will not enter into any domestic or trans-border code share agreement
with a regional carrier or involving a regional aircraft except to provide inter-island service
10-25-2011, 03:02 PM
#180
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....and at the end of the day, you still couldn't come to an agreement and had to have an arbitrator decide it all for you. We would be Airways 2 if it ever goes to arbitration. Which, let's all be honest, is exactly what the entire APC Delta peanut gallery wants. Yours was a merger of equals....ours is not. If we can't agree on that premise, then any subsequent discussion is meaningless.
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