1Seat 1Engine

Our round peg doesn't have to fit in your TSquare hole. You are unable to think outside of your own paradigm.

Maybe it's as simple as we have zero desire to be just like you?

tsquare

That is a silly retort. You had leverage, and you chose not to improve your contract. It is a simple question.. why not? It has nothing to do with being like me or anyone else.. just that you did not take advantage of an opportunity. ... or did you... ?

buzzpat

You did when we had the industry-leading contract....what changed?

Oh, I know.

Justdoinmyjob

So when management approached you guys about the WestJet and Volaris deals you told them to go pound sand?

tsquare

I really find this line of discussion very interesting. I believe that SWAPA has a very tight scope clause, and for that I commend them... but.... going forward, I wonder if it will be able to continue status quo. IF what the pom poms are saying is true.. that GK HAD to force this down everyone's throat or risk a scope violation, they might find this scope under attack in the same way our 3.B.6 was lost a few years ago. It is clear that this merger was forced down AT's throat, and SWAPA is the beneficiary, but I wonder if GK makes a run at another competitor how it would go down. There is no way that with this scope clause, GK could make a run at one as large as AK. It would cost too much money. Back when Herb was flying puke colored airplanes around the southwest, a scope clause for his pilots like the one they have was easy. His model worked in that environment. Now that they are at least a continental player, it might not work so well for corporate goals. SWAPA will have to engage management going forward if SWA is to grow, or risk stagnation (personally, I think they are already there.. but shoegoo and 1 seat think I am nuts) get it? nuts... Good times.

Smokey23

...and we're the arrogant ones?

Smokey23

I'm amazed at how often I hear this from Delta guys. YOU didn't exactly "take it back" when YOU had mgmt over a barrel to get the merger done.

Smokey23

....and at the end of the day, you still couldn't come to an agreement and had to have an arbitrator decide it all for you. We would be Airways 2 if it ever goes to arbitration. Which, let's all be honest, is exactly what the entire APC Delta peanut gallery wants. Yours was a merger of equals....ours is not. If we can't agree on that premise, then any subsequent discussion is meaningless.

MatthewAMEL

YHGTBSM. And this is the product of the vaunted 'culture'?

tsquare

Drop the vitriol for a second. Yeah we all know that we didn't eat the whole apple, but we are taking bites. You have had the good fortune to not go thru bankruptcy. I don't even wish that on 1 seat. It sucks. We lost a lot in that chapter thank you very much, and it is gonna take some time to recover. But we got something for cooperation. I am just curious as to why you don't seem to have received ANYTHING other than your new found seniority. But I guess you would rather fight with us about it, so OK.. have at it. You missed an opportunity. Here's your sign.