Originally Posted by buzzpat

If I'd wanted to fly for SWA, I'd be flying for SWA. Thanks anyway. We'll take you on here. Any day.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin

"LUVers" congrats on spinning the subject away from the truth. Yes DAL has crappy scope, many code shares, lower rates, less vacation, crappier trips etc etc. At night we ALL sleep comfortably knowing we (DAL or NWA) did not make an unabashed seniority grab during the merger. We approach each other as equal and appreciated professional co-workers. Co-workers that are not on separate pay scales or that don't have the same right and ability to upgrade as everyone else.

Keep on bringing tangental arguments to the discussion. I find them quite entertaining and humorous.

Originally Posted by shoelu

You want to know who is afraid of arbitration, it is GK.

If you folks knew anything about our contract, you would know that it does not allow codeshare, period. Let that sink in for a moment. OUR SECTION 1 DOES NOT ALLOW ANY FORM OF DOMESTIC CODE SHARE! It does not allow anyone to fly our passengers that are not on the SWAPA master seniority list. That includes wholly owned subsidiaries. There is a waiver for 24 months if an acqusition takes place. We are more than 25% through that time frame already.

What happens to this grand experiment when that 24 months is up and we do not yet have a fully finalized and integrated group?

Now can you see a sense of urgency for management to get a negotiated deal? Oh wait a minute, I am sure you can't because you are still trying to wrap your head around the fact that some groups won't sell their scope. How is the Alaska arrangement working out by the way? Maybe your LA boys can hold on long enough for our LA base to open up then shoot an application our way.

Originally Posted by Rolf

Your only cool airplane was the powerpuff girls jet, and she is gone.

Originally Posted by tsquare

So basically then, SWAPA is afraid of GK. Now THAT is interesting. You guys ARE (as someone else put it in an earlier discussion) playing checkers while GK plays chess. The fact that you got no contract improvement for going along with this (other than your seniority grab) bears this out. But down the road, this merger is going to cost your enterprise a good deal of coin. You have no more fuel hedges that give you any kind of advantage over the competition. The next step in this is either raise prices or start charging fees OR.. start looking for new revenue streams. That could be codeshare. Not saying it will be.. but it could. The fact of the matter is that SWA has not the cost advantages they used to have, your growth is coming to a screaming halt (as witnessed by this merger) so something has to give. Part of that will be your cozy relationship with management. Oscar gets it. He has even acknowledged that.

"These are the good old days" - Carly Simon

Originally Posted by tsquare

So basically then, SWAPA is afraid of GK. Now THAT is interesting. You guys ARE (as someone else put it in an earlier discussion) playing checkers while GK plays chess. The fact that you got no contract improvement for going along with this (other than your seniority grab) bears this out. But down the road, this merger is going to cost your enterprise a good deal of coin. You have no more fuel hedges that give you any kind of advantage over the competition. The next step in this is either raise prices or start charging fees OR.. start looking for new revenue streams. That could be codeshare. Not saying it will be.. but it could. The fact of the matter is that SWA has not the cost advantages they used to have, your growth is coming to a screaming halt (as witnessed by this merger) so something has to give. Part of that will be your cozy relationship with management. Oscar gets it. He has even acknowledged that.

Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine

Your crystal ball in this affair has been so far VERY myopic. Keep telling us "how it's gonna be" because you haven't been right about anything so far.

Originally Posted by shoelu

Where do you get this stuff? Where did I even come close to saying anything remotely close to we are afraid of GK? What I in fact said, and I quote: "You want to know who is afraid of arbitration, it is GK." If you missed the drift of my post I will be more specific. If this deal is not done within 24 months then SWA will be in direct violation of SWAPA section 1 scope. Section one violations do not get ignored. Section 1 violations get fast tracked for a very quick resolution.

As I said before SWAPA does not sell off our scope. GK needs a very quick deal to avoid violating our section 1. This is one of the many reasons he has been such a high pressure salesman of this deal. He needs this deal to go through in order to steer clear of a section 1 violation. Do you get it now or should I use smaller words?