Herkulesdrvr

Great point. All you ever hear in any occupation is "we are not paid what we're worth." 30% pay raise, best airline to work for, unmatched performance (40 yrs worth) in a losing industry, yeah who would want that?

newKnow

When pilots vote to go on strike, typically they expect higher wages and better work rules and benefits in the future, soooooo

newKnow

Which of those things do you think an arbitrator will consider?

Herkulesdrvr

I'm not an arbitrator, but I do think AT is making a mistake. The thought that "your offer is not good enough for us" is not going to bode well in my opinion at a company that employees pride themselves on 40 years of culture, overcoming huge obstacles to make a profit and the hard work of Herb Kelleher to get SW to the point they are at now. I hope this stunt doesn't backfire for AT cause you never know what SW has up its sleeve. Nobody wishes ill harm here, but geeze, in an economy where people are unemployed and barely holding on and then to turn down a 30% raise and job stability because of seniority? You really want to go down that road? Be careful what you wish for.

SherpaLifter

Didn't SWAPA vote down a recent TA with SWA (prior to the AirTran acquisition), in effect saying "your offer is not good enough for us"? And don't forget, part of the SWA culture thing is having a "warrior spirit". So in reality, AirTran isn't behaving any different than SWAPA during their last negotiations with the company and is embracing their culture at the same time!

That is why they call it "negotiations". Sometimes you have to take more than one stab at a deal to make it work for everyone.

shado

AT folks keep saying it costs the SWA folks nothing if they get the higher pay. Not true. Air Tran has been marginally profitable with their lower pay rates. With SWA pay... that profit margin is out the window.

And it does cost all the SWA folks... as all that money will come out of SWA's profits... hence smaller contributions to SWA employees' profit sharing accounts.

ClipperJet

If seniority is everything, as you say, The you would easily agree to relative seniority, but keeping the AirTran pay rates. But since everyone says that having a defacto B-scale is not only COMPLETELY unacceptable, but hateful, small minded, and will destroy the SWA culture, we have to assume that seniority is NOT everything. Money is a large component of the deal. Always was.

ClipperJet

I dont think SWA pilots voted down a $5,000 a month payraise...

JohnDeere

WOW! In nearly a year on this forum, this is undoubtedly the least informed post of all. This one takes the cake!

Those of you outside of the AT/SW process, this is a textbook example of the comprehension level of the SW pilots. This type of drivel is spread throughout the lot of them. Is that coming straight from Steve Chase or some other tool?

If you understood anything about airline economics, you would have read your own words------and deleted them. PLEASE, keep flying airplanes. Management is not for you.

I know this sounds harsh but any knowledgeable observer is laughing out loud. 1700 pilots are simply disgusted.

Aside: Are you still under the misguided impression that AT turned down the SW CBA? The disinformation campaign continues. Has SW started a recall process? Because you need to get better leadership.

1Seat 1Engine

Try the decaf JD.

Your MEC did turn down the offer of 737 pay for 717 a/c. That offer is no longer on the table. So in that respect the current JCBA pay rates were not extended the the most common a/c at AT.

Nothing to do with me or SWAPA, it was the company.

I reluctantly await your ad hominem reply.