AirTran MEC Rejects SLI proposal
09-03-2011, 12:03 PM
#491
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Pretty sure McCaskill-Bond only works if you actually do get the SOC. With that being said, if they don't get it/pull the SOC then they will just part out the planes, which they already said they would do with the 717's, and the rest goes as some one else said " a la ATA." Everyone forgets the main reason they bought Airtran, and for that matter ATA.
Gates. Plain and simple. I wish the best for everyone involved.
Gates. Plain and simple. I wish the best for everyone involved.
This is especially true if SWA goes to arbitration, waits for the result, and then decides they don't like the list. That would be a blatant end-run around the federal law.
You can't spit in the face of the Congress and seriously expect to get away with it. You'll probably get sued by AirTran people AND the U.S. Justice Department.
09-03-2011, 12:33 PM
#493
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SWA has made it clear that they wanted to integrate the lists. They made an offer to do just that. If they now keep the ops separate and dump all the AirTran pilots just because the pilots turned down a staple job then there will be a huge lawsuit. We'll get to find out what McCaskill Bond was all about.
This is especially true if SWA goes to arbitration, waits for the result, and then decides they don't like the list. That would be a blatant end-run around the federal law.
You can't spit in the face of the Congress and seriously expect to get away with it. You'll probably get sued by AirTran people AND the U.S. Justice Department.
This is especially true if SWA goes to arbitration, waits for the result, and then decides they don't like the list. That would be a blatant end-run around the federal law.
You can't spit in the face of the Congress and seriously expect to get away with it. You'll probably get sued by AirTran people AND the U.S. Justice Department.
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09-03-2011, 01:25 PM
#495
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Is Herb going to make things all better?
09-03-2011, 01:50 PM
#497
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09-03-2011, 02:06 PM
#499
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09-03-2011, 02:28 PM
#500
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Oscar and any other SWA guy/gal,
IF what WHACKAMASTER is saying is true, in that, if they don't agree to the deal being presented to them, your company's management:
1.) is threatening to not integrate the lists.
2.) is threatening to keep operations separate and eventually sell it off AT assets in pieces.
Are you ok with that?
Really? You would rather see a group of pilots be pushed out on the street than abide by a decision that a neutral arbitrator would come up with?
Really?
IF what WHACKAMASTER is saying is true, in that, if they don't agree to the deal being presented to them, your company's management:
1.) is threatening to not integrate the lists.
2.) is threatening to keep operations separate and eventually sell it off AT assets in pieces.
Are you ok with that?
Really? You would rather see a group of pilots be pushed out on the street than abide by a decision that a neutral arbitrator would come up with?
Really?
I meant to get back to you sooner before the Whackmaster answered with his diatribe. If what the WM is saying is true than our management is looking in to all options as unpleasant as it sounds. I personally am not good with it. Which is easy for me to say given my seniority level and my belief that arbitration will not affect me (much). Regardless of how I feel personally, the concerns of our pilot group especially our junior CA's and senior FO's must be addressed. They however are not the only ones. Pilot's across the entire spectrum of our seniority list have concerns as I am sure the AT folks do. Included in those becoming militant are most of the AT folks we have hired. How to resolve these concerns is beyond me.
Here is the nutshell from my perspective. Now before anybody goes off the deep end I would ask that you read my entire post before getting your panties in a bundle.
AT and SWA are in different stages of their development as LCC's. SWA pilot's have earned every bit of their current pay, benefits and work rules. Just as the AT folks have earned every bit of theirs. Not saying any pilot group is better than the other just that their contracts reflect a vast difference in what they have earned. If seniority is paramount and money is of no concern than a counter offer to keep ALPA's contract in place could be made to reflect the differences in our stages of development.
Our management has seen fit to purchase AT and it's assests. They would like very much to integrate all employee groups to attain cost saving through synergies (I hate that word). They have been very picky about who was hired here in all positions and are looking for those who are a good fit (I didn't say better). How many of the AT folks have decided that going and getting a 737 rating "just ain't right?" How many have been interviewed by SWA and unfortunately not gotten the call? There is some reason why they aren't at SWA right now. Many of the reasons will play out in an interview setting. If you chose not to interview, for whatever reason, than you have saved SWA the trouble. Plain and simple there are concerns that some of the AT folks would not be a good fit. Some are advocating a probation period just as the Morris folks had to.
Whether any other pilot group acknowledges it or not we are a different animal. We don't belong to a national union whose interests are not exclusive to ours. I frankly watch my union like a hawk. You know that trust but verify thingy. The desires of this union though are to represent our pilots without those with no skin in the game whispering in our ear.
The Oscar
P. S. nK I PMed you with errors and was unable to correct them.
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