AirTran MEC Rejects SLI proposal
08-20-2011, 05:20 AM
#151
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Turning your seniority over to a 3rd party is a scary prospect.
Fear of what an arbitrator might do is a powerful motive to compromise.
I expect SWAPA will modify their position in the negotiations prior to arbitration.
Fear of what an arbitrator might do is a powerful motive to compromise.
I expect SWAPA will modify their position in the negotiations prior to arbitration.
Last edited by Check Essential; 08-20-2011 at 05:36 AM.
08-20-2011, 05:44 AM
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You have no idea of their arrogance. Now I'm not schittin' you, but there are pilots over there that firmly believe that we should all be getting preferential interview. That's the damned mentality that we're dealing with. "Reasonable" is not a part of thier vocabulary.
The arrogance and entitlements coming out of the swa pilots really is pathetic. This guy was a new hire on the bottom of the list and he truly believed that every single Air Tran pilot should be stapled. His entire selling point was how much better the culture at swa will be for the Air Tran pilot. Somebody who clearly didn't get it.
They really are amazingly arrogant as a group.
08-20-2011, 06:05 AM
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What is disappointing for the AirTran pilots, is they were not allowed to vote. Just the MEC guys. How would the vote go if the whole pilot group voted ??? Obviuosly, we will never know. But it probably would have the same ratio as the Southwest guys. For the most part, pilots want the best for everyone including themselves. It takes the 5% to ruin it for everyone else.
08-20-2011, 08:16 AM
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Been allowed? You act as though the vote was taken from us against our will. In fact, the pilot group demanded that the MEC kill it without sending it out for a vote, because we didn't want the time wasted on something that was clearly unacceptable. We're glad that the union can focus on getting a real deal for these next two months instead of wasting time on a vote doomed for failure.
08-20-2011, 08:17 AM
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I promise you that the same guys who say on this forum that advocate DOH or relative seniority if it were their company acquiring another company would be barking a different tune if they're butts were on the line.
Check out what the frontier guys were saying about how unfair SWAPAs proposal was for them, then tried to turn it around and use it on their Republic counterparts.
This thread has gone from SLI discussions to bashing the SWA pilot group like every other SWA threads.
Check out what the frontier guys were saying about how unfair SWAPAs proposal was for them, then tried to turn it around and use it on their Republic counterparts.
This thread has gone from SLI discussions to bashing the SWA pilot group like every other SWA threads.
08-20-2011, 09:06 AM
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I promise you that the same guys who say on this forum that advocate DOH or relative seniority if it were their company acquiring another company would be barking a different tune if they're butts were on the line.
Check out what the frontier guys were saying about how unfair SWAPAs proposal was for them, then tried to turn it around and use it on their Republic counterparts.
This thread has gone from SLI discussions to bashing the SWA pilot group like every other SWA threads.
Check out what the frontier guys were saying about how unfair SWAPAs proposal was for them, then tried to turn it around and use it on their Republic counterparts.
This thread has gone from SLI discussions to bashing the SWA pilot group like every other SWA threads.
08-20-2011, 09:06 AM
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The arrogance and entitlements coming out of the swa pilots really is pathetic. Had one in the jumpseat the other day and the Captain and I got a pretty good laugh out of it. This guy was a new hire on the bottom of the list and he truly believed that every single Air Tran pilot should be stapled. His entire selling point was how much better the culture at swa will be for the Air Tran pilot. Somebody who clearly didn't get it.
08-20-2011, 10:13 AM
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Someone asked a question, I answered it. You decided to attack me for answering a question.
A quick search of your old posts shows you really didn't read anything I said, you just attacked a SWA/MIL guy and now you feel good about it.
08-20-2011, 10:17 AM
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I think this thread is much ado about nothing. There is a transition agreement in place between SWA, SWAPA and the Airtran MEC. It details exactly how this will be handled. I believe it requires arbitration if no agreement is reached by 30 Sep. Sounds like that will be the result. There will not be any selloff ect.. of Airtran assets.
08-20-2011, 10:17 AM
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I don't think it would be ATL-BWI-ATl .. SWA does not fly that route YET !
I keep seeing you guys refer to this as a merger well it is not a merger. SWA bought AT lock stock and barrel. SWA owns a subsidary called GHC ( from the room at the hotel where the first meetings were held). Air Tran had been put in that holding company, the 140 ac have already been signed over to SWA as a transfer of assets. Those 140 AC will be changed to SWA livery in early 2012. Wether there are FL pilots flying those birds at that time depends on what happens with the SLI.
I keep seeing you guys refer to this as a merger well it is not a merger. SWA bought AT lock stock and barrel. SWA owns a subsidary called GHC ( from the room at the hotel where the first meetings were held). Air Tran had been put in that holding company, the 140 ac have already been signed over to SWA as a transfer of assets. Those 140 AC will be changed to SWA livery in early 2012. Wether there are FL pilots flying those birds at that time depends on what happens with the SLI.
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