WHACKMASTER

You have no idea of their arrogance. Now I'm not schittin' you, but there are pilots over there that firmly believe that we should all be getting preferential interview. That's the damned mentality that we're dealing with. "Reasonable" is not a part of thier vocabulary.

WHACKMASTER

Dude, are you effing high? "Very generous offer"?! Does:

1. 37% of AirTran pilots getting stapled
2. Average relative seniority loss of 22% with a max of 32%
3. Our number 1 pilot being inserted into the new list at 1680 down
4. Average loss of almost four years DOH
5. No growth goes to the fenced side of our house until Sept. 2020
6. AT LEAST a ten year upgrade but more realistically 15+ for our F/Os

...... seem fair to you?

WHACKMASTER

And that's exactly what I've been preaching to my fellow AAI pilots. Simply that it's so telling how not only do we think that SWA pilots are out of their mind with SLI expectations, but so do the other pilot groups in this industry. It's pretty hard to argue when the other side AND all the other groups are telling you that you're out in left field.

5wnriders

Careful now, you're accusing 6000 people of that nasty attitude. I don't think THAT's reasonable either. Not everyone thinks that or even suggests that is what should happen. Nobody in this merger will be able to see the potential for growth, upgrades and earnings until the dust settles. There are plenty of LUV people that have a more considerate attitude than what you claim ALL LUVs pilots to have.

hockeypilot44

So you want to give all pre-1993 hires DOH, but then throw DOH out the window for everyone hired after that date? Either you believe in a DOH list or a relative list. You can't mix the two together at some arbitrary date. Precedent shows the pre-1993 hires will not be immune to being merged.

Boogie Nights

He is not my boy. I rarely agree with much he has to say.

By attacking him as a fighter guy you take this to the school yard level. If he goes there fine. It diminishes the merit of his arguements. If you go there you diminish your own.

There are A holes from every catagory of pilot, don't diminish fighter pilots because you disagree with him. Debate him on the merit of his views not the airplane he flys.

As for me I watch this discussion with interest as it has a huge impact on my future. Others have already stated how I think this should go so I have nothing to add. If I did would get hammered from both sides ( a moderate view) so what is the point.

I am a junior FO so my beef is with QOL issues. The MEC was looking out for the group as a whole. I think the middle 50% at both groups have the most at stake and the juniors folks going forward. Hopefully the company is hugely successful going forward making the 2030 impact a lot less relevant.

I read all the message boards I have access too. I wish I could see the blogs on the otherside.

This not an attack on you or your opinion, I just want this discussion to stay relevant.

Lastly, once we do come together I hope both sides can drop the attitude and move forward. (I suppose unlikely) Or beat the heck out of each other shake hands find some measure of respect for each other and move on.

Best going forward
B

cencal83406

Much like my social security check at retirement, pension, and/or 401k.

sailingfun

That is exactly how the list was merged at Air California when they were purchased by American. Half the list was DOH and half was a ratio. So it can had has been done.

TeddyKGB

The arrogance and entitlements coming out of the swa pilots really is pathetic. Had one in the jumpseat the other day and the Captain and I got a pretty good laugh out of it. This guy was a new hire on the bottom of the list and he truly believed that every single Air Tran pilot should be stapled. His entire selling point was how much better the culture at swa will be for the Air Tran pilot. Somebody who clearly didn't get it.

BlaineFaban

Whatever man,

Fighter pilots have egos, they have to.

Most of them have the intelligence to leave it at the airplane. This guy doesn't.

Again, I missed your lecture to him. I guess it must be that brotherhood of military thing. Bottom line, perhaps I may have served as well. You earn respect. you don't get it from your service or the airplane you fly. The fact that he has to post a viper as an avtar should tell you something.

The guy honed in on a typo, lectured me about it without addressing the issue, and then made some errors himself. He deserved a spanking and got one. End of story. Get over it. it had nothing to do with you until you brought yourself into it.

Seniority list integration has nothing to do with age. Guys coming into this business late, for whatever reason, are not owed anything.

The true beauty of everything that has happened is that SWA culture is going poof-gone. With this acquisition, they are just another company. I like it.