Southwest/AirTran deal easy landing
05-25-2011, 05:41 PM
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from a arbitrators point of view in regards to the money swa guys get none. the company gets the a/c not the pilots and you could argue that sw bring over 500 a/c to the air tran guys in looking at fair and equitable there is not equity in this for the sw guys so they should balance it with fair
No seriously. Arbitrators aren't normally in the business of compensating pilots for going through a merger. Usually, that's between the pilots and the company.
05-25-2011, 05:54 PM
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from a arbitrators point of view in regards to the money swa guys get none. the company gets the a/c not the pilots and you could argue that sw bring over 500 a/c to the air tran guys in looking at fair and equitable there is not equity in this for the sw guys so they should balance it with fair
05-25-2011, 06:23 PM
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from a arbitrators point of view in regards to the money swa guys get none. the company gets the a/c not the pilots and you could argue that sw bring over 500 a/c to the air tran guys in looking at fair and equitable there is not equity in this for the sw guys so they should balance it with fair
05-25-2011, 06:31 PM
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wow! I bet you airtran boys and girls can't wait to fly with this guy!! Part of the me, me, me generation. And we wonder why the country is going to h*ll in a hand-basket! You act like you are just getting 1700 pilots intergrated into your seniority list without anything else. You are also getting airplanes, routes and passengers. If you are in the 50% before and 50% after, what's the big deal. Just because your pockets aren't being lined with $100 bills, doesn't mean your not getting anything. You company is getting alot out of the deal (or else they wouldn't do it), and that translates into you getting benefits out of the deal as well....namely, growth for your company....
+1 !!!.....
05-25-2011, 07:38 PM
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For instance, before SWA did not have access to ATL, now it will. Before SWA did not almost completely own BWI, now it does. New York access, SWA gained some with UAL/CAL deal after it fought to have a wealth transfer... I mean slot transfer... in the UsAir/DAL slot swap.
Without AAI that growth would be organic and expensive and less upward movement if not stagnation. Whereas with AAI an increased network means more upward movement which is an advantage to SWA pilots from an outsiders vantage point. Like someone said, pay can come and go but seniority doesn't and you can assign an intrinsic value to that imho.
Network mattered going into the arbitration hearings for NWA and DAL as well. There was a debate you had "we give you Asia which you don't have" vs "but we give you the rest of the world" and "we give you 'super premium' 747s and A330s while you just have a ton of old 767s and a tiny fleet of 777s" vs "but you're parking your entire DC-9 fleet so if we merge we furlough our guys" and "you have a lot of debt" vs "you have debt too" and so on.
So that stuff matters.
The real advantage for SWAPA in arbitration would come if SWA would announce the 717s are going away. Then you could argue that AAI was on the downhill run and you're on the uphill and you should be compensated for it on the SLI. I've got a feeling the 717 sale comes after the SLI.
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05-25-2011, 09:45 PM
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The real advantage for SWAPA in arbitration would come if SWA would announce the 717s are going away. Then you could argue that AAI was on the downhill run and you're on the uphill and you should be compensated for it on the SLI. I've got a feeling the 717 sale comes after the SLI.
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