Southwest/AirTran deal easy landing
05-24-2011, 06:22 PM
#62
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It's worth it if it saves the company culture. SWA should put those 1800 guys on the street and park those airplanes while they hire and train 1800 "good" pilots. The immediate loss of money would eventually be re-cooped by maintaining the culture. Have you guys proposed that to Mr. Kelly?
05-24-2011, 06:37 PM
#63
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some of you still dont get it and it will work out in the end but the air tran guys get all the money in this deal. they get money, benefits, 401k, scheduling, profit sharing, etc etc ... yes the COMPANY gets airplanes and gates and even intl,,,, but that is for the company the pilots still get nothing out of this they cant go to the bank and say give me a loan we might grow!!!! the airtran guys can get all the money they want but there has to be a balance!!!! and right now the sw guys get NOTHING in their pocket from this!!!
05-24-2011, 06:39 PM
#64
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One way or the other, it will all work out.
05-24-2011, 06:50 PM
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We need to expand our thinking here just a little bit.
There is no provision in SWAPA's contract for bidding between aircraft types, and there is no pay scale for 717's.
We need to come to a mutually agreeable solution where we can all enjoy the benefits of a successful company.
There is no provision in SWAPA's contract for bidding between aircraft types, and there is no pay scale for 717's.
We need to come to a mutually agreeable solution where we can all enjoy the benefits of a successful company.
05-24-2011, 09:13 PM
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some of you still dont get it and it will work out in the end but the air tran guys get all the money in this deal. they get money, benefits, 401k, scheduling, profit sharing, etc etc ... yes the COMPANY gets airplanes and gates and even intl,,,, but that is for the company the pilots still get nothing out of this they cant go to the bank and say give me a loan we might grow!!!! the airtran guys can get all the money they want but there has to be a balance!!!! and right now the sw guys get NOTHING in their pocket from this!!!
The problem for the SWA guys here unfortunately, is that the second this acquisition was announced, SWA pilots had almost nothing to gain and the AirTran guys had everything to gain. This imbalance puts SWA pilots in a position of weakness when you have nothing to gain. Kelly had to know this as well.
I don't have any solutions, just throwing in my 2 cents. But I do understand the angst on the SWA side.
Carl
05-24-2011, 09:23 PM
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some of you still dont get it and it will work out in the end but the air tran guys get all the money in this deal. they get money, benefits, 401k, scheduling, profit sharing, etc etc ... yes the COMPANY gets airplanes and gates and even intl,,,, but that is for the company the pilots still get nothing out of this they cant go to the bank and say give me a loan we might grow!!!! the airtran guys can get all the money they want but there has to be a balance!!!! and right now the sw guys get NOTHING in their pocket from this!!!
When the man comes to you and says "We need you boys on board for this here merger", the ONLY thing you say is "what's it worth to you?" followed by "well, we have your request...we'll get back to you".
You do NOT say "thank you sir, may I have another".
Nu
05-25-2011, 07:18 AM
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It's worth it if it saves the company culture. SWA should put those 1800 guys on the street and park those airplanes while they hire and train 1800 "good" pilots. The immediate loss of money would eventually be re-cooped by maintaining the culture. Have you guys proposed that to Mr. Kelly?
Wow, what a culture. You propose to put 1800 guys on the street, park what 130 some plus a/c while you are still paying for 130 some a/c. Train what you call 1800 "GOOD pilots", pay for lawsuits for the next 10 years. I think you should be the one to propose this to Mr. Kelly. Maybe the SWA culture would be a better place without people like you in it.
05-25-2011, 07:26 AM
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Wow, what a culture. You propose to put 1800 guys on the street, park what 130 some plus a/c while you are still paying for 130 some a/c. Train what you call 1800 "GOOD pilots", pay for lawsuits for the next 10 years. I think you should be the one to propose this to Mr. Kelly. Maybe the SWA culture would be a better place without people like you in it.
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05-25-2011, 07:38 AM
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Wow, what a culture. You propose to put 1800 guys on the street, park what 130 some plus a/c while you are still paying for 130 some a/c. Train what you call 1800 "GOOD pilots", pay for lawsuits for the next 10 years. I think you should be the one to propose this to Mr. Kelly. Maybe the SWA culture would be a better place without people like you in it.
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