Southwest/AirTran deal easy landing
04-04-2011, 01:45 PM
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What about training
Not quite.
DOCC follows about 30 days after DOJ.
After DOCC, AirTran Airways is owned by GHC (which is wholly owned by SWA). They continue to operate as independent companies. There is no 'fence', because they aren't the same company.
SWA will then slowly merge aspects of the AirTran operation into SWA. I imagine that GHC will continue to exist and continue to hold the AirTran cert until after the merger is complete.
One payrate will be part of the JCBA which will be different for each union group.
DOCC follows about 30 days after DOJ.
After DOCC, AirTran Airways is owned by GHC (which is wholly owned by SWA). They continue to operate as independent companies. There is no 'fence', because they aren't the same company.
SWA will then slowly merge aspects of the AirTran operation into SWA. I imagine that GHC will continue to exist and continue to hold the AirTran cert until after the merger is complete.
One payrate will be part of the JCBA which will be different for each union group.
If pilots go through difference training do they then fly under old AT or New SWA OPs Specs or both?
05-21-2011, 11:18 PM
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It was at the time
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I was currious at the time re: if a guy was trained to fly SWA opsec prior to FAA issuing a single operating certificate, if he was a in fact a defacto SWA pilot even if he/she was work for AT at that pay rate.
That was a while ago
Thanks anyway
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I was currious at the time re: if a guy was trained to fly SWA opsec prior to FAA issuing a single operating certificate, if he was a in fact a defacto SWA pilot even if he/she was work for AT at that pay rate.
That was a while ago
Thanks anyway
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05-23-2011, 06:58 PM
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Matthew you know it not a merger its an acquisition right
steel:: two years:: not going to happen the process agreement says end of dec Now the IMPLAIENTATION of a SLI could take 2 years depending on how the company decides to do it IF AT ALL!!!
steel:: two years:: not going to happen the process agreement says end of dec Now the IMPLAIENTATION of a SLI could take 2 years depending on how the company decides to do it IF AT ALL!!!
05-23-2011, 11:05 PM
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Not quite.
DOCC follows about 30 days after DOJ.
After DOCC, AirTran Airways is owned by GHC (which is wholly owned by SWA). They continue to operate as independent companies. There is no 'fence', because they aren't the same company.
SWA will then slowly merge aspects of the AirTran operation into SWA. I imagine that GHC will continue to exist and continue to hold the AirTran cert until after the merger is complete.
One payrate will be part of the JCBA which will be different for each union group.
DOCC follows about 30 days after DOJ.
After DOCC, AirTran Airways is owned by GHC (which is wholly owned by SWA). They continue to operate as independent companies. There is no 'fence', because they aren't the same company.
SWA will then slowly merge aspects of the AirTran operation into SWA. I imagine that GHC will continue to exist and continue to hold the AirTran cert until after the merger is complete.
One payrate will be part of the JCBA which will be different for each union group.
05-24-2011, 04:47 AM
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Flysap,
You know were "merging" operations right? Do you or any of your SWA pals really think the arbitrators care about the accounting transaction that brought this about? Doubtful. Oh, DAL bought NWA and that went very close to relative. Good luck.
You know were "merging" operations right? Do you or any of your SWA pals really think the arbitrators care about the accounting transaction that brought this about? Doubtful. Oh, DAL bought NWA and that went very close to relative. Good luck.
05-24-2011, 05:39 AM
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DAL did not buy NWA. It was a standard merger using stock. DAL did purchase Western and Pan Am but not NWA.
05-24-2011, 05:48 AM
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And with all the commitment letters and legal statements from Kelly and Ven de Ven, people who still cling to the idea that there's a snowball's chance in hell that the two companies won't integrate operations is smoking crack. It's happening and SWAPA needs to get on board with that idea and start educating its pilots on the legal requirements to integrate instead of giving them some false hope that it can be avoided forever because it can't, only delayed for a bit. All that's doing is entrenching the Southwest pilots with the philosophy that they can play hardball and gain huge blocks of seniority out of the deal which our side will never agree to which will only lead to an arbitrated AND enforced list instead of a negotiated ISL, courtesy of SWAPA's stance on the issue. Maybe it will go your way but maybe it won't and no matter what integration is happening. Come back to this thread this time next year and remember I called it first.
Ever since your new union president came into office, things have become 10 times more contentious than they were. It doesn't need to be that way but he's doing it anyway and none of us can figure out why.
05-24-2011, 06:02 AM
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Yeah I was discussing the total timeline to implement and start shutting down Airtran as a company after everyone is integrated.
And with all the commitment letters and legal statements from Kelly and Ven de Ven, people who still cling to the idea that there's a snowball's chance in hell that the two companies won't integrate operations is smoking crack. It's happening and SWAPA needs to get on board with that idea and start educating its pilots on the legal requirements to integrate instead of giving them some false hope that it can be avoided forever because it can't, only delayed for a bit. All that's doing is entrenching the Southwest pilots with the philosophy that they can play hardball and gain huge blocks of seniority out of the deal which our side will never agree to which will only lead to an arbitrated AND enforced list instead of a negotiated ISL, courtesy of SWAPA's stance on the issue. Maybe it will go your way but maybe it won't and no matter what integration is happening. Come back to this thread this time next year and remember I called it first.
Ever since your new union president came into office, things have become 10 times more contentious than they were. It doesn't need to be that way but he's doing it anyway and none of us can figure out why.
And with all the commitment letters and legal statements from Kelly and Ven de Ven, people who still cling to the idea that there's a snowball's chance in hell that the two companies won't integrate operations is smoking crack. It's happening and SWAPA needs to get on board with that idea and start educating its pilots on the legal requirements to integrate instead of giving them some false hope that it can be avoided forever because it can't, only delayed for a bit. All that's doing is entrenching the Southwest pilots with the philosophy that they can play hardball and gain huge blocks of seniority out of the deal which our side will never agree to which will only lead to an arbitrated AND enforced list instead of a negotiated ISL, courtesy of SWAPA's stance on the issue. Maybe it will go your way but maybe it won't and no matter what integration is happening. Come back to this thread this time next year and remember I called it first.
Ever since your new union president came into office, things have become 10 times more contentious than they were. It doesn't need to be that way but he's doing it anyway and none of us can figure out why.
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