Southwest/AirTran deal easy landing
06-01-2011, 06:06 PM
#121
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06-02-2011, 05:54 AM
#123
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I was wondering where Carl and the T-man were also. Surely they are not working? At the same time? I thought they have it written in your contract that one must be monitoring APC at all times. This would be so that the misinformation that the unwashed masses post can be countered immediately. Also, I would be interested to see what they have to say about the slot swap............
The Oscar
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06-02-2011, 06:50 AM
#125
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I was wondering where Carl and the T-man were also. Surely they are not working? At the same time? I thought they have it written in your contract that one must be monitoring APC at all times. This would be so that the misinformation that the unwashed masses post can be countered immediately. Also, I would be interested to see what they have to say about the slot swap............
The Oscar
The Oscar
Carl answered a post at 2:30 am so I am guessing he is in Asia.
Dont know where T is.
Jumpseated on you guys 2x this week, both -700s, it brought back memories. Both crews appeared to be adapting well to the unlocking of the glass. I still found it interesting how 2 different airlines operated the same jet differently, niether here nor there.
The topic of this thread was food for some interesting conversation. One of the FOs said that you guys are pretty much fast tracking toward arbitration with an arbitrated list expected by Oct.? That seemed fast.
What is your perspective on AAI moving from Guadelupe holdings to SWA if the SWAPA doesn't like how the integration works out?
Best wishes for an easy landing.
06-03-2011, 03:04 PM
#126
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In the end, an integration of lists will happen as outlined in the transition agreement definition of "Complete Operational Merger." Until COM is complete both groups will be represented by their respective unions and CBA's. This process can obviously be dragged out for years as evidenced in the US Air-America West debacle, or happen relatively quickly as shown in the Delta-NWA scenario. Where this one will end up is anyone's guess at this point.
Codeshare leverage gone. COM leverage non-existent. The ISL is going to happen. We will all manage to survive.
06-03-2011, 07:33 PM
#128
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Actually COM is limited to a max of 24 months by the SWAPA-SWA TA8, unless SWA agrees to extend it (which they won't...they don't want another AWA/USA on their hands. COM is limited to even less time by the PA signed by all 4 parties. The PA has the Arbitrator imposing the date of COM in a quicker fashion.
Codeshare leverage gone. COM leverage non-existent. The ISL is going to happen. We will all manage to survive.
Codeshare leverage gone. COM leverage non-existent. The ISL is going to happen. We will all manage to survive.
06-04-2011, 03:54 AM
#129
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Actually, from my reading of side letter I have to disagree with your assesment. The arbitrator will only render a list, but has no authority over COM. Side letter 8 states that there will be no integration until COM. COM will only be delayed if SWAPA, not SWA agrees to relax much of its section 1 scope protections. I do however agree that ISL will eventually happen, simply not prior to COM. I also agree we will all manage to survive.
Further, the four party Process Agreement states the Arbitrator will impose the effective date of the new ISL and such date shall be binding on all parties.
SOC is scheduled for Spring of next year. As that is the point when AirTran crews and planes begin working on the SWA side of the partition, the ISL will be implemented prior to that point.
06-04-2011, 06:17 AM
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Shoelu,
Both SWA and SWAPA have to agree to extend if neccessary. SWAPA cannot extend it on their own.
Effective date of ISL will be meaningless if GK decides not to combine the carriers. Despite what many think it will be out of either pilot groups hands at that point. GK will be the one to pull the trigger. It just depends on who the target will be.
Both SWA and SWAPA have to agree to extend if neccessary. SWAPA cannot extend it on their own.
Effective date of ISL will be meaningless if GK decides not to combine the carriers. Despite what many think it will be out of either pilot groups hands at that point. GK will be the one to pull the trigger. It just depends on who the target will be.
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