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Old 10-17-2024, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
Write in a candidate that is clearly a "throw away vote". Most junior or most senior pilot. Or the highest bid avoid pilot in your domicle.
can we all write in maverick? Not the Tom cruise guy but our maverick
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can we all write in maverick? Not the Tom cruise guy but our maverick
He got fired.
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Old 10-17-2024, 08:07 AM
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He got fired.
Sure did. I flew a few trips with him a couple months before he was ejected.
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Old 10-17-2024, 08:44 AM
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He got fired.
that was my point
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Old 10-17-2024, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by waterskisabersw
To borrow your "fact" argument from another thread, did anybody actually get forced to take the shot? I mean yeah they sent out the letter but later retracted it and nobody was actually forced to take a shot. So it's all good, and now there's language in the contract, however imperfect you feel it is, to protect against even that?

If swa is bulletproof on furloughs, they're bulletproof on vaccine mandates too.
So the question is then did anyone actually get furloughed? I mean they got a letter but did anyone get furloughed? Same logic right?
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Old 10-17-2024, 09:22 AM
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So no vote? Seems counter productive to your goals. Don't complain about the leadership if you aren't voting. I am not super excited about the candidates either, but they are going to be making decisions on your behalf. I am choosing the lesser of two evils.
Totally agree. You give SWAPA 1% of your money. Participate. Most guys or gals don't want to be involved in the day to day of running a union. What's nice about this job is you set the parking brake and leave. Go and live life. Unfortunately the rest of our comrades are coming to work to do rinse and repeat. This job attracts A personality people. We question everything. This whole message board helps us with A personality syndrome. Having said that, SWAPA is well funded. I rather have a union that has money in the bank for when the time comes(which will) when management will challenge everything they agreed to. It's just business. Their are some great guys that advocate on our behalf. Every time I see a rep I always thank them for their service. It's a thankless job. Some people get into the leadership of SWAPA for the wrong reasons. Most do it because they want to make a difference in our career's. Most of the time bad actors are called out when they are in it for themselves. For an independent union, SWAPA is better than the alternative. This is my fourth union(three independent and ALPA). The services that we get for our dues, I'll happily pay every time. SWA management is at war with a hedge fund. Employees will most certainly suffer on the other side. Leadership and money are needed to get to the other side of this debacle called SWA.
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Originally Posted by hoover
that was my point
Yeah I'm not smart. I am here on a football scholarship.
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Old 10-17-2024, 09:46 AM
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Totally agree. You give SWAPA 1% of your money. Participate. Most guys or gals don't want to be involved in the day to day of running a union. What's nice about this job is you set the parking brake and leave. Go and live life. Unfortunately the rest of our comrades are coming to work to do rinse and repeat. This job attracts A personality people. We question everything. This whole message board helps us with A personality syndrome. Having said that, SWAPA is well funded. I rather have a union that has money in the bank for when the time comes(which will) when management will challenge everything they agreed to. It's just business. Their are some great guys that advocate on our behalf. Every time I see a rep I always thank them for their service. It's a thankless job. Some people get into the leadership of SWAPA for the wrong reasons. Most do it because they want to make a difference in our career's. Most of the time bad actors are called out when they are in it for themselves. For an independent union, SWAPA is better than the alternative. This is my fourth union(three independent and ALPA). The services that we get for our dues, I'll happily pay every time. SWA management is at war with a hedge fund. Employees will most certainly suffer on the other side. Leadership and money are needed to get to the other side of this debacle called SWA.
Yep. All this.
They announced yesterday that the regular plan is going away in 2026 for non contract and some contract employees that negotiated it away for "enhanced" 401k match (10 percent). They have to fund those stock buybacks somewhere.
You had better believe they are going to start finding ways to operate around the margins of our contract. Having a good team in place is 100 percent in all our self interests. Dwelling on things like covid is counterproductive at this point.
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Yep. All this.
They announced yesterday that the regular plan is going away in 2026 for non contract and some contract employees that negotiated it away for "enhanced" 401k match (10 percent). They have to fund those stock buybacks somewhere.
You had better believe they are going to start finding ways to operate around the margins of our contract. Having a good team in place is 100 percent in all our self interests. Dwelling on things like covid is counterproductive at this point.
Well, why do we dwell on the 1221 letters so much then? The mandatory vax was to be fired, period. There was no way back if you were fired. So why is talking about this subject counterproductive? A furlough there is way back through the CBA when the company starts hiring again.
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Old 10-17-2024, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by REF 5
Totally agree. You give SWAPA 1% of your money. Participate. Most guys or gals don't want to be involved in the day to day of running a union. What's nice about this job is you set the parking brake and leave. Go and live life. Unfortunately the rest of our comrades are coming to work to do rinse and repeat. This job attracts A personality people. We question everything. This whole message board helps us with A personality syndrome. Having said that, SWAPA is well funded. I rather have a union that has money in the bank for when the time comes(which will) when management will challenge everything they agreed to. It's just business. Their are some great guys that advocate on our behalf. Every time I see a rep I always thank them for their service. It's a thankless job. Some people get into the leadership of SWAPA for the wrong reasons. Most do it because they want to make a difference in our career's. Most of the time bad actors are called out when they are in it for themselves. For an independent union, SWAPA is better than the alternative. This is my fourth union(three independent and ALPA). The services that we get for our dues, I'll happily pay every time. SWA management is at war with a hedge fund. Employees will most certainly suffer on the other side. Leadership and money are needed to get to the other side of this debacle called SWA.
I can name a few CK who works for the company, JP who now works for the company, GM who now works for the company, and then there is SC who claimed we have "no more seniority" to give during the AT buy, never came back to the line, and is it true he bought a horse ranch right after he left SWAPA? Seems we had a lot of Trip pull queens like the ones mentioned who claim they are for the pilot group but are really in it for themselves. That's why I'm not voting on this one, I have not heard anything good about either Presidential candidates. How can you only fly one turn every 90 days, which accounts to 4 times a year and really know whats going out on the line?
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