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Old 09-26-2024, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
There is no plan. Plan is to buy back stock with cash reserves to inflate stock, then dump. Basically like movie “Wallstreet.” Raid the cash reserves instead of the pension.
Especially given the fact that AS just bought an entire airline, including its WB airplanes and WB order book, for $1.9 billion.

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Especially given the fact that AS just bought an entire airline, including its WB airplanes and WB order book, for $1.9 billion.
....causing their credit rating to get lowered to junk thanks to assuming HA's debt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...to-borrow-more
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
....causing their credit rating to get lowered to junk thanks to assuming HA's debt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...to-borrow-more
Oh, I'm not making any judgment as to the wisdom of the decision, just saying there's a lot of other things that $2.5 billion could go towards to improve the operation other than stock buybacks.

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Originally Posted by 170Till5
SWA just announced $2.5 Billion in stock buy backs…
Spending the money before Elliott can steal it. Defensive against a leveraged buyout ala Ichan and TWA.
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Originally Posted by khergan
Oh, I'm not making any judgment as to the wisdom of the decision, just saying there's a lot of other things that $2.5 billion could go towards to improve the operation other than stock buybacks.
We all have a love-hate relationship with stock buybacks. For example, buying stock when the price is this low is a good thing. Buying stock when it was overpriced, not so much, especially when you fail to invest in your business.

I do find this codeshare with Icelandair amusing... SWAPA will be measuring PDEW's on these. Once they reach certain level, SWA will have to put our metal on it...
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
We all have a love-hate relationship with stock buybacks. For example, buying stock when the price is this low is a good thing. Buying stock when it was overpriced, not so much, especially when you fail to invest in your business.

I do find this codeshare with Icelandair amusing... SWAPA will be measuring PDEW's on these. Once they reach certain level, SWA will have to put our metal on it...
Iceland has become quite the redneck riviera so that could happen sooner than later. I’m not sure how many from the US of diabeetus make a return visit, but it seems they’re all intent on going at least once.
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The announcements were lame, underwhelming, and totally predictable. Announcing that you are spending all your cash reserves on stock buybacks is, quite simply, beyond the pale. That was the real announcement. The rest was window dressing.

The only reason to buy back a chunk of underperforming stock is to have the dual effect of bribing institutional investors to allow our crop of underperforming airline executives to keep their jobs and to increase the value of shares paid to execs, BOD, and our illustrious chair, who is still under contract for 2 more years after his departure.

This is corporate raider stuff, which is ironic, because I thought that Elliott were supposed to be raiding us, but it turns out the raiders were inside the house the whole time.

So choose your poison, not that any of us will get to choose. At this point, I am willing to take a chance on the unknown rather than this group of criminals.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
....causing their credit rating to get lowered to junk thanks to assuming HA's debt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-24/moody-s-downgrades-alaska-air-to-junk-on-plans-to-borrow-more
Yep. This was a huge gamble by Alaska. If anyone can pull it off, it's them. They overpaid for VA and they overpaid for HA. In both cases, they took out a damaged but still worthy competitor.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
We all have a love-hate relationship with stock buybacks. For example, buying stock when the price is this low is a good thing. Buying stock when it was overpriced, not so much, especially when you fail to invest in your business.

I do find this codeshare with Icelandair amusing... SWAPA will be measuring PDEW's on these. Once they reach certain level, SWA will have to put our metal on it...
Or another MOU 🙄

……in which case I’ll be the first to call for heads to roll.
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The announcements were lame, underwhelming, and totally predictable. Announcing that you are spending all your cash reserves on stock buybacks is, quite simply, beyond the pale. That was the real announcement. The rest was window dressing.

The only reason to buy back a chunk of underperforming stock is to have the dual effect of bribing institutional investors to allow our crop of underperforming airline executives to keep their jobs and to increase the value of shares paid to execs, BOD, and our illustrious chair, who is still under contract for 2 more years after his departure.

This is corporate raider stuff, which is ironic, because I thought that Elliott were supposed to be raiding us, but it turns out the raiders were inside the house the whole time.

So choose your poison, not that any of us will get to choose. At this point, I am willing to take a chance on the unknown rather than this group of criminals.
That’s exactly the way I’m leaning but I think we’re fooked either way. Maybe SkyWest will buy us(?)
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