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Old 07-28-2024, 11:15 AM
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I mean, a large part of our network is out of whack because we have way too many 150+ seat aircraft. I think SWA used to be about 1:2 and now it's 2:1. We need aircraft and Airbus is only interested in building 321s, which doesn't fit the business plan/route structure. SWA could have E195-E2s as soon as they're ready to take delivery. The range and efficiency of the E2s is commendable. Embraer very well may be manufacturing a larger narrow body soon and SWA could be the launch customer. The only think it's missing is the MAX7 range, but do we really need 2/3rds of the fleet to be able to fly from DEN to LIH? Is there some huge downside that the E2s have?
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Is there some huge downside that the E2s have?
If the captain side windshield cracks, you cannot replace it with a 737 windshield.
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If the captain side windshield cracks, you cannot replace it with a 737 windshield.
How much are -195 auto throttles going for these days? Sunshades?
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If the captain side windshield cracks, you cannot replace it with a 737 windshield.
Yes there is a fixed cost of having an additional parts inventory. But as revenue amounts increase, the relative cost of those fixed costs decrease. The opportunity cost of sitting around and waiting for Boeing to deliver an airplane six years late may, in fact, exceed the cost of buying a few more replacement parts.
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Yes there is a fixed cost of having an additional parts inventory. But as revenue amounts increase, the relative cost of those fixed costs decrease. The opportunity cost of sitting around and waiting for Boeing to deliver an airplane six years late may, in fact, exceed the cost of buying a few more replacement parts.
But it's more than that too... training costs, mx costs, training the mx, computer programming costs, logistics, re-training gate staff, etc. Embrarer puts out a great product but one reason Soutwest has been as profitable in the past is because they run a single type. But it's a double edged sword as everyone knows.
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
I mean, a large part of our network is out of whack because we have way too many 150+ seat aircraft. I think SWA used to be about 1:2 and now it's 2:1. We need aircraft and Airbus is only interested in building 321s, which doesn't fit the business plan/route structure. SWA could have E195-E2s as soon as they're ready to take delivery. The range and efficiency of the E2s is commendable. Embraer very well may be manufacturing a larger narrow body soon and SWA could be the launch customer. The only think it's missing is the MAX7 range, but do we really need 2/3rds of the fleet to be able to fly from DEN to LIH? Is there some huge downside that the E2s have?
They don’t need two thirds of the fleet to do Denver to Hawaii but the problem is I don’t think the E2 can even do BWI-LAX. It’s a cool plane but it’s still a regional jet and wouldn’t really fit in the SWA network.
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They don’t need two thirds of the fleet to do Denver to Hawaii but the problem is I don’t think the E2 can even do BWI-LAX. It’s a cool plane but it’s still a regional jet and wouldn’t really fit in the SWA network.
Completely disagree. The E2 would allow us to fly long, thin routes. More importantly to connect smaller cities to the network. Think Knoxville, Burlington, Greensboro, Daytona etc… There are WAY more opportunities at this airline for small airplanes than there are for widebodies. The E2 isn’t the A220, and it’s not a replacement for the -700, but it’s a stellar airplane that could truly fill out the network.
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They don’t need two thirds of the fleet to do Denver to Hawaii but the problem is I don’t think the E2 can even do BWI-LAX. It’s a cool plane but it’s still a regional jet and wouldn’t really fit in the SWA network.
It's currently running LAX to Quebec
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They don’t need two thirds of the fleet to do Denver to Hawaii but the problem is I don’t think the E2 can even do BWI-LAX. It’s a cool plane but it’s still a regional jet and wouldn’t really fit in the SWA network.
BWI - LAX is 2010 nm. Latest updates have the range up to 3,000 nm so a 2,010 nm route shouldn't be a problem.

It wouldn't fly between major cities/hubs except for off peak times.
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BWI - LAX is 2010 nm. Latest updates have the range up to 3,000 nm so a 2,010 nm route shouldn't be a problem.

It wouldn't fly between major cities/hubs except for off peak times.
I stand corrected. I thought its range was way less
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