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Old 07-27-2024, 04:37 PM
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If I do an east coast redeye, somebody drives me to the hotel and I stay there for 20 hours.
That's brutal...duty off at 0600 and back on 20 hours later???
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Old 07-27-2024, 05:42 PM
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That's brutal...duty off at 0600 and back on 20 hours later???
Previous gig we would leave west coast around 11pm, one leg to some east coast city landing around 6am or so.

Go to hotel for about 23 hours and fly the early AM on day three back to base, which body clock feels like another red eye.

These sucked and they were brutal on the body. Basically landing and walking through the airport like a zombie on day three.
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Old 07-27-2024, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Previous gig we would leave west coast around 11pm, one leg to some east coast city landing around 6am or so.

Go to hotel for about 23 hours and fly the early AM on day three back to base, which body clock feels like another red eye.

These sucked and they were brutal on the body. Basically landing and walking through the airport like a zombie on day three.
I think anything close to 24 hours of rest after a red is brutal. Its either gotta be around 13-15 or closer to 28-30 hours.
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Old 07-27-2024, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
I think anything close to 24 hours of rest after a red is brutal. Its either gotta be around 13-15 or closer to 28-30 hours.
Agreed and the other nut breaker was that we didn’t have rigs so they kept us exactly 23 hours because anything more they would have to pay us a third day. So yeah that trip paid like 10.5 or something.

Thankfully we won’t have that issue but I hold no hope that the optimizer won’t find a way to make it punishing.
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Old 07-27-2024, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Previous gig we would leave west coast around 11pm, one leg to some east coast city landing around 6am or so.

Go to hotel for about 23 hours and fly the early AM on day three back to base, which body clock feels like another red eye.

These sucked and they were brutal on the body. Basically landing and walking through the airport like a zombie on day three.
Standard NK LAS 4-day trip: PM Red-eye to the east coast. 22hr layover. AM, 1 leg to LAX/PDX/OAK (both of those are nigh duty). 22hr layover. Last day, AM, 2/3 legs back to LAS. 70hr TAFB, 20hr credit, 12/15 hr block, 4/5 legs, commutable both ends. As long as you can handle the flip-flop, they are great trips. If you can't sleep twice and be awake once in 22 hours you are not going to like it.....
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Old 07-28-2024, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
I think anything close to 24 hours of rest after a red is brutal. Its either gotta be around 13-15 or closer to 28-30 hours.
Agreed. Used to love the EWR-LAS 2-day. Been a while, but I believe we left around 08-0830, land in Vegas around 1100 and leave that night around midnight. Get back to EWR the next morning 08-0830 about the same time you left 24 hours earlier. If you're the type that doesn't need a whole lot of sleep, and you're local, it was a great trip. Essentially a 10/11-hour one-day.
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Old 07-28-2024, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
That's brutal...duty off at 0600 and back on 20 hours later???
But what is that in Herb time?
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Old 07-28-2024, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Again, I hope you are right, and I am wrong. However, I still think they will ruin this for us, at least in the long run.

If I had to bet on Southwest, it would be their unmatched capacity for screwing up a wet dream. You can almost guarantee they’ll find a way to make these soul crushing on a long enough timeline. For now, though, as a commuter, I’ll probably give em a whirl. I can nap like nobody’s business.
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Old 07-29-2024, 12:57 AM
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If I had to bet on Southwest, it would be their unmatched capacity for screwing up a wet dream. You can almost guarantee they’ll find a way to make these soul crushing on a long enough timeline. For now, though, as a commuter, I’ll probably give em a whirl. I can nap like nobody’s business.
Hope you’re senior enough to handle to handle of them because they’ll be in high demand and there won’t be too many of thsm.
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Hope you’re senior enough to handle to handle of them because they’ll be in high demand and there won’t be too many of thsm.
Most people at UA avoid red eyes unless they're a commuter and can handle.

Red eyes take a huge toll on your body even if you feel "ok" during the flight. That being said, some people love them for the schedule efficiciency, but it seems to be an extreme minority.
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