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07-24-2024, 11:40 AM

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drywhitetoast

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Originally Posted by at6d

During CQ a couple of weeks ago it was stated that SWA is number 1 in compliance with stabilized approach criteria of the big 4. Not my statement—but that’s what the Company said.

May need to update those numbers.

07-24-2024, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

It's not hard to guess what the problem is at UAL... 26 year-old regional FOs cosplaying international WB CA, while also trying to keep up their content production.

While SW has hired some folks recently, and maybe had some retention issues, anybody in the left seat should have almost ten years on property. So I'm perplexed as to why they appear to have a rash of flight path management events.

those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

Man I wish I was as smart as you….. You must be gods gift to aviation by your posts

07-24-2024, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

It's a metaphor for hiring churn, and evolving priorities and philosphy.

Look up hiring in the mid 60s-70s.

07-24-2024, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

So it's old guys with decades of experience on type? What changed?

They wore the mask too long depriving their brain of oxygen? Too many boosters with unknown side effects? 🤪🤪🤪

07-24-2024, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

They wore the mask too long depriving their brain of oxygen? Too many boosters with unknown side effects? 🤪🤪🤪

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZGdnOHRuaHgxb2hleXhzZ3Nhd3dzeWd nY2Zrd2w2ZzA3ejc2YTlvaCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/1adQLf7YjWjjZyJdmz/giphy.gif

The 26 yo "metaphor" is hot garbage.

And "what else changed?" Essentially, "I declared it, it's your job to refute my declaration"

07-24-2024, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

It's a metaphor for hiring churn, and evolving priorities and philosphy.

I don't think United even had an abnormal increase in flight crew related incidents. They were more dealing with a rash of maintenance issues that made the news.

07-24-2024, 02:32 PM

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PhxJester

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Originally Posted by 5tools

I'm sure all you backseat CEO have all the answers.

since you work on the other side of the door, atleast you don’t have to worry about feds now.

but I’ll take a coffee, 1 cream.

maybe a bag of the new pretzels.

07-24-2024, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet J

I thought the triple that almost flew into the ocean off OGG and the 767 that got crushed were both newer pilots?

The FO on the OGG flight is a new pilot to UAL but not inexperienced. The 767 FO in IAH is fairly new but not the CA he was flying with.

07-24-2024, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

So it's old guys with decades of experience on type? What changed?

Nothing has changed, we are just noticing it more. Look how many YouTube channels there are that do nothing but monitor ATC recordings for anything unusual. And then there is the ADS-B data that gives everyone all the data they need to reconstruct the flight instantly. 10 years ago, most of these events would go unnoticed or be handled internally and the general public wouldn't hear anything about it. I've got some stories from companies I worked at over a decade ago that are just as shocking as the recent United and SWA flights.