Another incident ?
07-02-2024, 06:52 AM
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You're not going to get an argument from me about it.
Your radio works? Make the darn calls.
If this crew made the conscious decision to not make radio calls over CTAF, then yeah they are in a bag of hurt.
I was simply stating CTAF calls are not required. Boneheaded not to, but not required. And as rick points out, if something happens your decision not to will come under a microscope.
Lets hope this is a case of wrong frequency or some other distraction.
Your radio works? Make the darn calls.
If this crew made the conscious decision to not make radio calls over CTAF, then yeah they are in a bag of hurt.
I was simply stating CTAF calls are not required. Boneheaded not to, but not required. And as rick points out, if something happens your decision not to will come under a microscope.
Lets hope this is a case of wrong frequency or some other distraction.
I flew with an FO recently that does a lot of flying in California in his piper. He was about to depart Mammoth 🦣 when an F16 did a low high speed pass with no announcement on CTAF or Unicom as my friend was about to take the runway. A few minutes later the F16 comes in the freq and apologized that he was on incorrect freq.
07-02-2024, 06:56 AM
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07-02-2024, 06:56 AM
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The FAA can also take a dim view to "you don't have to" and they can come after you under 'careless and reckless' if they choose.
07-02-2024, 07:29 AM
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Re: "you don't have to make them"....what's the Ops Spec say? Ours says you will make the calls. Everyone was trying to contact them on CTAF, tower, the vehicle, and another aircraft.
The FAA can also take a dim view to "you don't have to" and they can come after you under 'careless and reckless' if they choose.
The FAA can also take a dim view to "you don't have to" and they can come after you under 'careless and reckless' if they choose.
As I have said multiple times, I am not speaking to SWA procedure because I am not a SWA pilot so I am not speaking in terms of ops specs or what SWA requires because I don't have access to that.
And like that comment you replied to stated already, you're gonna have to defend that decision if anything happens cause yeah the FAA can still come after you for careless and reckless.
07-02-2024, 08:17 AM
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Re: "you don't have to make them"....what's the Ops Spec say? Ours says you will make the calls. Everyone was trying to contact them on CTAF, tower, the vehicle, and another aircraft.
The FAA can also take a dim view to "you don't have to" and they can come after you under 'careless and reckless' if they choose.
The FAA can also take a dim view to "you don't have to" and they can come after you under 'careless and reckless' if they choose.
07-02-2024, 08:44 AM
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If you followed the comment chain, I was strictly speaking FAR wise.
As I have said multiple times, I am not speaking to SWA procedure because I am not a SWA pilot so I am not speaking in terms of ops specs or what SWA requires because I don't have access to that.
And like that comment you replied to stated already, you're gonna have to defend that decision if anything happens cause yeah the FAA can still come after you for careless and reckless.
As I have said multiple times, I am not speaking to SWA procedure because I am not a SWA pilot so I am not speaking in terms of ops specs or what SWA requires because I don't have access to that.
And like that comment you replied to stated already, you're gonna have to defend that decision if anything happens cause yeah the FAA can still come after you for careless and reckless.
07-02-2024, 09:18 AM
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So what was the point of making the comment in the first place, then? It's not regulatory that an aircraft use a landing light for landing at night, only that it has one functioning. Maybe I should go find a post about night landings and drop that little nugget of useless wisdom and help contribute.
This topic is literally the perfect example of the game telephone. Context and things get lost as each reply occurs so here we are arriving people thinking I was talking about SWA Ops Specs. When the original comment I made specifically mentioned strictly speaking FAR's and I wasn't speaking for SWA procedures because I don't have their books.
07-02-2024, 10:13 AM
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In my experience, most people I fly with at uncontrolled fields undervalue CTAF calls. They seem to forget that general aviation could be using a "large" class D/C airport late at night or early in the morning. Plenty think one call 10 miles out or one call before push is all that is needed. At least one captain actually thought we had the right of way because we were on an ILS.
07-02-2024, 10:37 AM
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Love that this thread has gone to complete wild guesses and good old SWA bashing by pilots from airlines that have all committed much worse sins in their cockpits. I know this isn't en vogue, but if we wait we may get a written report with facts and recommendations in it that will help everybody.
07-02-2024, 10:47 AM
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You're not going to get an argument from me whether one should make calls over CTAF. You absolutely should if your plane has a radio.
Just separating out the requirement to make calls over CTAF vs the recommendation to do so.
And again since I don't have Southwest's books in front me, I am not going to say whether SWA requires crews to do so. I will let a SWA pilot speak to that.
Just separating out the requirement to make calls over CTAF vs the recommendation to do so.
And again since I don't have Southwest's books in front me, I am not going to say whether SWA requires crews to do so. I will let a SWA pilot speak to that.
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