Low flight over OKC
06-22-2024, 02:33 PM
#61
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Configured and on speed at the final approach fix? How much fuel is that per year? Why the need as it had nothing to do with this incident. They were 9 miles out! I once flew with a FO going into Dakar. Hired with 2000 hours of RJ time and no PIC. Set up nicely for a visual approach on downwind flaps 5, 180 knots in a 757. At that time the requirement was to intercept final above 500 feet. Tower clears us to land. We fly 3 miles past the airport when I mention it's behind us. Tower comes back up and says Delta, I clear you to land. FO says not comfortable with tight patterns. Passing the outer marker tower says, "Delta where are you going".
We turned base at 8 miles!
We turned base at 8 miles!
In about 95% of our unstabilized approaches here at ma delta the common denominator was either rushing at speed to the market or accepting a vector inside of it
You cleared me for the approach.. airspeed is mine as is when I decide to turn final.
ATC lately has been out of control. Pun not intended.
And those poor 73 dudes.
ATC - I need 190 to 5 mile final. Followed shortly thereafter by....
ATC - Delta 123 slow to final approach speed !!!
Delduh 73 bros - ummm , we're at final approach speed (you know cause they are doing a buck 58 on final....
ATC can violate me all day. We'll file ASAP citing the safety word and never hear about it again.
Stop letting ATC put you in a square corner.
Last edited by Hotel Kilo; 06-22-2024 at 03:17 PM.
06-22-2024, 02:43 PM
#62
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One of our crews was ramp checked at MDW. One question was 'does approach still ask for 210 or greater until advised' while below the Class B airspace. Approach implicitly implied we could violate the 200kt limit below Bravo airspace on their authority. It happened enough that the fed was more interested in that than customs decals on our jets. A simple "unable" works wonders, followed up with an ASAP report.
06-22-2024, 03:53 PM
#64
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If you look at the rnav 13 at okc, there’s a step down point inside the FAF that’s about 400’ off the ground. I wonder if they pulled that point up when they were cleared for the visual and went down to that altitude.
06-22-2024, 06:05 PM
#66
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Feds are not there to ask questions. They are there to observe. If they ever ask me a question about procedures/policy/regs/etc I refer them to our standards department to have their questions answered. Not pertinent to my flight, and a fed Jumpseater is not going to give me an oral.
06-22-2024, 06:18 PM
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06-22-2024, 08:37 PM
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They are nowhere near PWA and not aligned with any runway there at the 500' AGL alt. Go look at the FlightRadar24 or whatnot. And PNW is more N than anything of OKC.
They eventually fly over the airport, well after they've done the "go-around" and appear to be under vectors at that point.
They are aligned with OKC runway 13 at OKC at the 9 mile mark...just 9 miles out at 500'.
They eventually fly over the airport, well after they've done the "go-around" and appear to be under vectors at that point.
They are aligned with OKC runway 13 at OKC at the 9 mile mark...just 9 miles out at 500'.
06-22-2024, 09:53 PM
#70
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Then again I've seen some people do some truly inexplicable things with the FMS.
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