Low flight over OKC
06-21-2024, 07:50 PM
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06-21-2024, 08:12 PM
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What is going on over there? Seems like every week a new safety issue pops up.
https://abc7ny.com/post/faa-investig...homa/14983957/
https://abc7ny.com/post/faa-investig...homa/14983957/
06-22-2024, 02:52 AM
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if you don't cross check your position with your eye balls that is pretty much the same thing. If you backed up the visual with magenta but never look at the ND it has no value. They almost landed at the wrong airport even though they "didn't wing it".
06-22-2024, 03:36 AM
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One of the 'talked about' procedures that has been promised or theatened for years, depending on your view, is flying to the FAF on ANY approach prior to landing. A/C should be configured and on-speed at FAF. Eliminates pretty much all guesswork, ensures both pilots have the 'shared mental model' and gives you a fixed point in space to aim for in all circumstances. Perhaps this is the incident that pushes that procedure into practice.
We turned base at 8 miles!
06-22-2024, 03:46 AM
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Over the FAF at the published altitude pointed at the runway should be industry standard at this point (notwithstanding the fact that ATC sometimes vectors you slghtly inside thinking they are doing you a "favor.")
Landing checklist complete by 1,000.
On speed by 500.
Boring is professional.
Exciting is amateur.
Landing checklist complete by 1,000.
On speed by 500.
Boring is professional.
Exciting is amateur.
06-22-2024, 04:01 AM
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“Do not accept an ATC approach speed assignment in excess of 170 kt closer than 5 miles from the end of the runway. This is to prevent ATC from assigning excessive speed clearances that compromise the stabilized approach. If the speed restriction is given “to the marker,” use 170 kt to the outer marker/FAS. If the speed restriction is given to a mileage fix,
use 170 kt to a 5-mile final.”
Last edited by Liberty; 06-22-2024 at 04:29 AM.
06-22-2024, 06:46 AM
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Or we could fly it by the book.🤷🏻♂️ Doing our own thing with a macho attitude may be contributing to the problem.
“Do not accept an ATC approach speed assignment in excess of 170 kt closer than 5 miles from the end of the runway. This is to prevent ATC from assigning excessive speed clearances that compromise the stabilized approach. If the speed restriction is given “to the marker,” use 170 kt to the outer marker/FAS. If the speed restriction is given to a mileage fix,
use 170 kt to a 5-mile final.”
“Do not accept an ATC approach speed assignment in excess of 170 kt closer than 5 miles from the end of the runway. This is to prevent ATC from assigning excessive speed clearances that compromise the stabilized approach. If the speed restriction is given “to the marker,” use 170 kt to the outer marker/FAS. If the speed restriction is given to a mileage fix,
use 170 kt to a 5-mile final.”
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