Low flight over OKC
#121
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This ain’t no Airbus, man…
#122
it has to do with flying the classics and the NG at the same time.
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I think all of us could do a little better in putting our collective feet down and telling management "no, this is not a good idea". I wonder what IAN costs as an option from Boeing? I've flown the 73 with and without the option and it makes things a lot easier especially when you are tired and you haven't done a NPA in a long time. Our QRH now has a frickin 2 page briefing on how to do these approaches. It is absolutely ridiculous that we are out here doing these Rube Goldberg procedures to save a buck.
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I think all of us could do a little better in putting our collective feet down and telling management "no, this is not a good idea". I wonder what IAN costs as an option from Boeing? I've flown the 73 with and without the option and it makes things a lot easier especially when you are tired and you haven't done a NPA in a long time. Our QRH now has a frickin 2 page briefing on how to do these approaches. It is absolutely ridiculous that we are out here doing these Rube Goldberg procedures to save a buck.
#129
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Yep I remember how many airlines had this setup. We only seem to have forogotten all the other companies that had this configuration.
At Southwest there are two types of approaches* these days, ILS or VNAV (RNAV, all ground based NPAs, etc). I assume most places are the same. This isn't shooting an ADF approach under a thunderstorm with a 30kt crosswind like back in the day. There are two different procedures that are mostly the same...take some ownership and study them. If you aren't proficent in an RNAV approach, program it in on a VFR day. Just about every runway with an ILS also has an RNAV approach. Maybe manage your own proficiency instead of coming to APC and compaling an RNAV approach is too hard because you had a few different buttons to press?
At Southwest there are two types of approaches* these days, ILS or VNAV (RNAV, all ground based NPAs, etc). I assume most places are the same. This isn't shooting an ADF approach under a thunderstorm with a 30kt crosswind like back in the day. There are two different procedures that are mostly the same...take some ownership and study them. If you aren't proficent in an RNAV approach, program it in on a VFR day. Just about every runway with an ILS also has an RNAV approach. Maybe manage your own proficiency instead of coming to APC and compaling an RNAV approach is too hard because you had a few different buttons to press?
These are procedures you cannot commit to memory, nor should you. That is why there is a 2 page briefing that should be reviewed before you do the approach if you haven't done a lot of them recently. You sound like a guy in flight ops that approved this type ****. As far as coming to APC to complain.... LOL.
These approaches are f5cked up all the time at every company because they are very different than ILS's and they take all kinds of extra steps to accomplish correctly but you keep telling yourself that they are pretty much the same and if you cannot do them then you are just substandard and stupid. Must be nice to be so awesome at your job. Please tell us more about how great a pilot you are. I am sure your boyfriend is tired of hearing it.
#130
Yep I remember how many airlines had this setup. We only seem to have forogotten all the other companies that had this configuration.
At Southwest there are two types of approaches* these days, ILS or VNAV (RNAV, all ground based NPAs, etc). I assume most places are the same...
At Southwest there are two types of approaches* these days, ILS or VNAV (RNAV, all ground based NPAs, etc). I assume most places are the same...
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