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Old 06-23-2024, 05:50 PM
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So….I guess clear and a million and backed up by an approach when the GPWS says “1,000” and nothing in sight….just press on for a while longer? That’s the plan?
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Old 06-23-2024, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Cameron6
So….I guess clear and a million and backed up by an approach when the GPWS says “1,000” and nothing in sight….just press on for a while longer? That’s the plan?
Southwest doesn't pay and/or configure their aircraft for any of those callouts. It's on the pilots to make them.
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Old 06-23-2024, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
My guess is it was one of those guys who re-cruises the FMC after every descent. Got cleared for the visual so they put direct to the last fix (deletes the geometric angle) then hit altitude intervene. It probably started an idle descent at 250 knots.
This. And they had TDZE set in the window.
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Old 06-23-2024, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Cool story. 13 is just fine, especially coming from the NW. It saves time, fuel, and hassle, and introduces very little additional risk. I use it often and use 31 for departure for the same reasons. It is more than suitable for the 737.

Do you demand the longest runway everywhere you go? If so, I can't imagine that goes very well for you.
Goes better for me than it did for them.
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Old 06-23-2024, 07:49 PM
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Maybe one of the guys lives there and got rerouted to OKC and was going to go home for his overnight, but decided he should do a fly by of his house to see if anyone was parked in the driveway first so he knew what he was walking into?
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Old 06-23-2024, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Proximity
Southwest doesn't pay and/or configure their aircraft for any of those callouts. It's on the pilots to make them.
Real (737) pilots don't need RA callouts. Real (737) airlines don't pay for RA callouts. Not just SW.

Real airplane mfgs (boeing) don't give away RA callouts for free.

Real regulators (faa) don't mandate RA callouts.

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Old 06-23-2024, 10:03 PM
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I'm basing this off what I've seen several times, typically from the most senior captains. PF is assigned altitude like 3000. Re-cruises the box. Airport in sight, cleared for visual. PF hits direct to the last point prior to runway and says, "We're visual, setting tdze (or zeros). PF hits altitude intervene and vnav goes into descent mode and immediately sets FUM speed. PF says, why'd it so that? So he hits speed intervene and dials 250 knots. Airplane goes into idle descent mode.
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Old 06-24-2024, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
I'm basing this off what I've seen several times, typically from the most senior captains. PF is assigned altitude like 3000. Re-cruises the box. Airport in sight, cleared for visual. PF hits direct to the last point prior to runway and says, "We're visual, setting tdze (or zeros). PF hits altitude intervene and vnav goes into descent mode and immediately sets FUM speed. PF says, why'd it so that? So he hits speed intervene and dials 250 knots. Airplane goes into idle descent mode.
if there is this much confusion with tricking the box into steering the plane on path to the runway, which I see all the time too, it would seem logical to extend that into the realm of NPA. They are not like ILS approaches and they take many more thought processes to successfully complete them correctly (cleared, established, protected, setting MCP for min's, resetting for MA, correct FMS sequencing,etc). ILS is pretty much retard proof.
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Old 06-24-2024, 05:19 AM
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My cat told me that it was a new hire and a captain that retires tomorrow. The FO spun in zeroes and put it in vert speed with -3000 set and then said "YOLO" before getting out their phone to text their mom so that she could come pick them up from the airport because that's how they did it at SkyWest.
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Old 06-24-2024, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nordhavn
"it should be fine" don't work for all crews. Most crews don't do NPA on the regular... and since we never do them they are easy to fuc5 up.
Absolutely false. Any swa pilot who is not a desk flyer flies non-precision (and precision rnav) approaches all the time, as they are prevalent at many of our busy airports.

RNP 22L in mdw, RNAV 36L mco, RNP into all runways in DEN BNA and AUS, RNP 27 SAN, RNP DCA, RNAV visuals into LGA, RNAV into DAL, RNAV 19 in MSY, LDA/RNAV 35 in SLC just to name a few.

Now, before you say RNP is precision not NPA: functionally on the FMC/MCO, they are identical. Every swa pilot is intimately familiar with how to fly an RNAV approach. And every ILS is subject to the same risks of going to the last fix/runway from xx miles our, as APPR won't capture GS until LOC intercept, so VNAV LNAV will function identically up until GS capture.
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