REF 5

Looks like GK still has the majority of the BOD behind him. He ain't going anywhere. The institutional investors I guess trust management's game plan. Hopefully it works. Investors day in late September is usually a boring event and show off of leadership. This year's will definitely will be something.

Traffic Alert

just one more indication that SWA is in denial about itself. They are no different than an addict who refuses to accept they can’t do it alone anymore.

GoCats67

To put this effect in perspective at UA.

I am at 48% as a 767 Cap in ORD. There are 68 787 FOs senior to me in ORD. If all of those FOs that are senior to me had wanted to fly as 756 CAP and bid it when they could have, I would not be able to hold 767 Captain in ORD at all.

The pilot that is at 48% on 737 Cap in ORD has 182 787 FOs senior to him in ORD. If all of those FOs had bid 737 Cap, then the 48% guy would sit at 87% on the ORD 737 Cap list. So, because of the WB effect, instead of being deep reserve they are a solid line holder!

Having a variety of aircraft to choose from allows everybody to choose what works best for them and makes everybody on the seniority list happier quicker. One pilot's trash is another pilot's treasure!

There will always be pilots that choose to stay senior to enhance their QOL, but with the WB option this dramatically enhances the effect as the delta in pay difference becomes a much smaller issue when comparing 787/777 FO pay to NB Captain. Frankly in Dollars/day worked the WB can crush the narrowbody, which is why so many get on it and then never leave. The 28 hour 3 day is tough to beat as it makes it so easy to avoid work conflicts with living your life away from work.

So, just because you don't want to do it (or at least don't think you do) don't discount the value it has on seniority progression on the seat you do want.

Hotel Kilo

Thanks for posting this. I was going to add a follow up to my already long post to Request20Right discussing exactly this. Thank you for putting it down so succintly. This seniority bumb by having WBs in your fleet is why I think at his age, and given he's only been at SWA a year (no real seniority hit for him) a move to UAL would most likely be more beneficial to him over his 36 year career.

He's made his decision and good for him. I hope he never looks back with any regret.

Mozam

I am not sure what the correct answer will be in 35 years. I can't believe how many pilots can not manage their own lives, yet love to give others advice.

Hotel Kilo

I'm not sure what you mean here. He's a SWA guy, and yes this is your SWA thread, but he was asking about WBs (which you don't have in your fleet) and then WB at UAL. Some airlines other than UAL do have WB fleets. Having been in both fleet types, and been in the industry for several decades, with benefit of hindsight, I thought I would just offer up what I've observed. Just trying to be informative. If this has ruffled you in the wrong way I'm sorry.

It was just me, a veteran of this industry, who's flown both NB and WB (presently) illustrating some of the things I talk to about folks new to the inidustry or looking to start and trying to chose between airlines. Nothing more. Again, if I've infringed on something in my comments or ruffled you the wrong way, I, again, am sorry.

Mozam

I in no way meant that post towards you. If taken that way I am sincerely sorry. I meant it as pilots like to give advised when not having skin in the game of who they are advising. I should not have quoted your post as it was not directed at you .

9thAmendment

As expected Elliott is threatening to call a special shareholder vote ASAP to throw out the entire board. The letter they sent is at the end of the article.


https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...302190893.html

jerryleber

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/08/sout...eadership.html

5tools

All Elliott wants to do in the long run is sale SWA or dismantle it.