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06-23-2024, 11:31 PM

#141

flyguy81

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Originally Posted by BusDriver3

It's unfortunate. Your company not only insisted on developing the frankenstein MAX, but it will also lead to its downfall and the downfall of Boeing Commercial. I would recommend leaving if you're under 45. Elliott is going to dismantle the company before you even have a chance to recover.

AA demanded Boeing continue the 737….they were the first to place an order.

06-23-2024, 11:37 PM

#142

Standbyzeros

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Originally Posted by BusDriver3

Cool first post, bruh. How’s the air quality in Mom’s basement tonite?

06-24-2024, 01:20 AM

#143

BusDriver3

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Originally Posted by flyguy81

AA demanded Boeing continue the 737….they were the first to place an order.

That, while true, is disingenuous. Both AA and WN heavily pushed for a quick re-engines vs. a clean sheet. If you think GK wasn't threatening Boeing with commonality, then you're smoking crack.

06-24-2024, 01:22 AM

#144

BusDriver3

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Originally Posted by Standbyzeros

Cool first post, bruh. How’s the air quality in Mom’s basement tonite?

It's a bit stuffy, but I'll manage. Should I dig through your posts and find your first one?

My comment wasn't meant to be a dig, but a warning to those on the forum that think Elliott is somehow going to be a savior.

06-24-2024, 06:25 AM

#145

e6bpilot

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Originally Posted by BusDriver3

Cool story. This has been covered many times on this forum, but AA was the main driver of the Max being rushed into development. There have been many news stories from serveral different sources that cover the whole story. Boeing commercial is literally too big to fail. They have enough max orders to keep them busy for the next 20 years or so. Yes, they suck, and yes, they got themselves into this bind, but your post is both factually incorrect and very dramatic.

06-24-2024, 08:01 AM

#146

rickair7777

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Originally Posted by BusDriver3

It's unfortunate. Your company not only insisted on developing the frankenstein MAX, but it will also lead to its downfall and the downfall of Boeing Commercial.

No. Whether AA, SWA, both, or AA, SW, and AS pressured, encouraged, or asked boieng to extend the 73 line boeing is holding the entire bag for that. In this industry, if they can't or won't deliver safety (to 21st century standards) it was their responsibility to just say no.

Of course the customer is going to ask for cheap as possible.

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Originally Posted by BusDriver3

I would recommend leaving if you're under 45. Elliott is going to dismantle the company before you even have a chance to recover.

If you live in a DL/UA/AA widebody base and don't like the domestic grind, sure. At this moment in history 40-something pilots actually have the flexibility to make a move like that. But not for too much longer.

06-24-2024, 05:35 PM

#147

hoover

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Originally Posted by e6bpilot

I literally know the guy at Boeing who decided on the max. He said whatever SW wants because we know they'll order 1000 of them.

06-25-2024, 06:30 AM

#148

Salukidawg

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Originally Posted by hoover

I literally know the guy at Boeing who decided on the max. He said whatever SW wants because we know they'll order 1000 of them.

Cool story. I know a guy at Boeing too, so what? It was AA that pushed for the re engine of the 737. WN even stated at the time that they were OK with a clean sheet if that's the way Boeing decided to go. I'm happy to blame WN when it's deserved, but in this instance it isn't.

06-25-2024, 06:35 AM

#149

nene

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Originally Posted by hoover

I literally know the guy at Boeing who decided on the max. He said whatever SW wants because we know they'll order 1000 of them.

I knew an engineer at Boeing who spent 1/2 a decade doing preliminary designs for a fully double decker 747 that marketing decided ultimately wouldn't have a big enough market to justify the development costs, hence the A380 had it's relatively short, unopposed run as largest airplane in production.

That one Boeing got right, history shows.