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#231
Also since we're discussing ATIS sheets or the lack thereof, here's a question...
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
#233
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Also since we're discussing ATIS sheets or the lack thereof, here's a question...
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
#234
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It works out fine for the most part. If you end up high due to an unexpected speed reduction, its speed brakes or request ATC relief. If you see it coming early (strong tailwind) then adjust as necessary w/ early descent, other descent modes, adjusting speed, speed brake…
#235
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 310
Also since we're discussing ATIS sheets or the lack thereof, here's a question...
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
#237
Yup. I just got the new-hire packet yesterday with the memory items and flight deck switch guide. Have watched nearly all the Boeing system CBTs (snooze) as well as better systems content put out by some solid YT channels (this guy named "A330 pilot" has some really good stuff.)
Also (yes, this is geeky), been learning the FMS, VNAV, and A/T systems on Xplane 12, which is ludicrously detailed and realistic, as far as I can tell.
I must say some of the 737 systems quirks are surprising, after coming from a decade in an RJ, specifically:
• Just the entire warning/caution messaging system
• Lack of systems synoptic pages (aside from flight controls and sorta hydraulics)
• No automatic fuel xflow and no ability for the crew to transfer fuel from one tank to another
• Having to monitor the central tank quantity so as to avoid running it dry with the pumps on
• No ram air turbine
• Having to set your cruise alt in the pressurization controller
I'm not complaining, though. I'll be fine if I never sit in a Deuce again
See y'all in DAL in a couple weeks.
Also (yes, this is geeky), been learning the FMS, VNAV, and A/T systems on Xplane 12, which is ludicrously detailed and realistic, as far as I can tell.
I must say some of the 737 systems quirks are surprising, after coming from a decade in an RJ, specifically:
• Just the entire warning/caution messaging system
• Lack of systems synoptic pages (aside from flight controls and sorta hydraulics)
• No automatic fuel xflow and no ability for the crew to transfer fuel from one tank to another
• Having to monitor the central tank quantity so as to avoid running it dry with the pumps on
• No ram air turbine
• Having to set your cruise alt in the pressurization controller
I'm not complaining, though. I'll be fine if I never sit in a Deuce again
See y'all in DAL in a couple weeks.
Plus whatever you're learning about the 737 now, sw does it differently.
Dont set yourself up to have to unlearn the correct way in order to do it the SW way.
#238
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Also since we're discussing ATIS sheets or the lack thereof, here's a question...
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
When descending on a STAR, the VNAV seems to want to cross every fix at the highest possible altitude. For example, if the STAR requires you to cross YOMOM at FL190B/FL150A, the VNAV seems to cross it at FL190 every time. Which on many arrivals will leave you high and dry if ATC asks you to slow down. (I always aimed to cross those fixes at the lowest possible altitude, because lower is always easier on a busy arrival.)
So what do y'all do? Just let it do its thing? Or do any of you switch into LVL CHG or even VS mode (click off the A/Ts) and manually adjust the descent path so you're crossing the fixes at a lower altitude than VNAV would?
And yeah, I realize I'm getting way ahead of things but I was just curious. I've asked this question of my SWA buddies and they all gave different answers, so interested to hear what y'all think.
Edit. Looks like others have said the same thing.
#239
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I let it do its thing, it’s the most fuel efficient profile. If they want you to slow you tell them you can do one or the other, but not both. Don’t make it hard. The more you mess with the altitude fixes and use VS, the more ASAPS you’ll file.
Edit. Looks like others have said the same thing.
Edit. Looks like others have said the same thing.
#240
Roger wilco! Will start a rigorous training regimen, stat.
That is a great point and well-received.
That is a great point and well-received.
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