The end game...
11-15-2023, 06:40 PM
#121
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 844
Absolutely. We're going to be operating under this thing through 2030 most likely -- we need to get it right. And my sympathy is at zero for the company's pearl-clutching at the cost of the retro. It's expensive because they dragged this on for years. They could have saved a fortune, but instead they chose to buy back their stock instead of paying us. So be it. I hope it was worth it, because that delay has only increased my price.
Keep in mind also that some of those "former corporate" guys came from Netjets, which is unionized, pi**ed off, and has already seen the FordHarrison paybook in action.
Keep in mind also that some of those "former corporate" guys came from Netjets, which is unionized, pi**ed off, and has already seen the FordHarrison paybook in action.
11-15-2023, 07:03 PM
#122
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 39
We need to add language that will proactively pressure the next contract once this one ends.
My idea is beginning 6 months after the amenable date each pilot will be credited an extra trip for each month that passes without a new ratified contract. Ie 7 months after 1 extra trip, 8 months 2 extra trips and so on until a new contract.
Something like this will continue to ramp up the pressure a little at a time every month on the company to come to the table and strike a deal vs dragging it out for years. At the very least we will not fall so far behind our peers in the meantime.
My idea is beginning 6 months after the amenable date each pilot will be credited an extra trip for each month that passes without a new ratified contract. Ie 7 months after 1 extra trip, 8 months 2 extra trips and so on until a new contract.
Something like this will continue to ramp up the pressure a little at a time every month on the company to come to the table and strike a deal vs dragging it out for years. At the very least we will not fall so far behind our peers in the meantime.
11-15-2023, 07:18 PM
#123
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: American Airlines Brake Pad Replacement Technician
Posts: 476
We need to add language that will proactively pressure the next contract once this one ends.
My idea is beginning 6 months after the amenable date each pilot will be credited an extra trip for each month that passes without a new ratified contract. Ie 7 months after 1 extra trip, 8 months 2 extra trips and so on until a new contract.
Something like this will continue to ramp up the pressure a little at a time every month on the company to come to the table and strike a deal vs dragging it out for years. At the very least we will not fall so far behind our peers in the meantime.
My idea is beginning 6 months after the amenable date each pilot will be credited an extra trip for each month that passes without a new ratified contract. Ie 7 months after 1 extra trip, 8 months 2 extra trips and so on until a new contract.
Something like this will continue to ramp up the pressure a little at a time every month on the company to come to the table and strike a deal vs dragging it out for years. At the very least we will not fall so far behind our peers in the meantime.
11-15-2023, 08:04 PM
#125
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,796
This is the problem right here…you don’t see that covering OT is not helping the company? Using your rational if someone wants a new car they can cross a picket line. IMO there is no difference between helping the company before or after a strike if we are in year 4 of talks. My line is 12 months. No help after 12 months of talks, if a company doesn’t respect its employees to get a new contract by then, it’s game on.
We can disagree….if I fly with you I will call you out on it. We can discuss it then.
We can disagree….if I fly with you I will call you out on it. We can discuss it then.
Feel free to call me out, I'll call you out, the drinks will be on me, and we can solve all sorts of world problems.
11-15-2023, 08:28 PM
#126
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Boeing
Posts: 543
We need to add language that will proactively pressure the next contract once this one ends.
My idea is beginning 6 months after the amenable date each pilot will be credited an extra trip for each month that passes without a new ratified contract. Ie 7 months after 1 extra trip, 8 months 2 extra trips and so on until a new contract.
Something like this will continue to ramp up the pressure a little at a time every month on the company to come to the table and strike a deal vs dragging it out for years. At the very least we will not fall so far behind our peers in the meantime.
My idea is beginning 6 months after the amenable date each pilot will be credited an extra trip for each month that passes without a new ratified contract. Ie 7 months after 1 extra trip, 8 months 2 extra trips and so on until a new contract.
Something like this will continue to ramp up the pressure a little at a time every month on the company to come to the table and strike a deal vs dragging it out for years. At the very least we will not fall so far behind our peers in the meantime.
11-15-2023, 09:20 PM
#127
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,923
This is the problem right here…you don’t see that covering OT is not helping the company? Using your rational if someone wants a new car they can cross a picket line. IMO there is no difference between helping the company before or after a strike if we are in year 4 of talks. My line is 12 months. No help after 12 months of talks, if a company doesn’t respect its employees to get a new contract by then, it’s game on.
We can disagree….if I fly with you I will call you out on it. We can discuss it then.
We can disagree….if I fly with you I will call you out on it. We can discuss it then.
If you historically pick up OT, you can choose to throttle it back if you want to. But demanding others do it as a negotiating tactic can be construed as a job action and there is precedent that favors management.
I agree with refusing to do everyone else’s job though. I don’t get paid when the brake is set so I’ll let ops know once when we need something and we’ll go when we’re ready.
11-15-2023, 09:41 PM
#128
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
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11-15-2023, 10:33 PM
#129
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Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 195
Many things with that case. For one there was an electronic trail that it was organized. They also never paid it. Lastly can you image the PR nightmare for recruitment in today’s day and age suing the pilot group. Good luck getting recruits.
But you can tell this pilot group is fractured. We have guys that actually thinking picking up SOT hurts the company. I swear it’s amazing this pilot group doesn’t eat its young….literally.
11-16-2023, 12:46 AM
#130
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,804
Agreed! We seem to be having a very difficult time with some "sprinkle" level type topics such as where trips need to start and end, hotel quality and standards, mandatory overtime on days off, and with the comm turning to expectation management. I don't hold much hope on a topic like the above being taken on.
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