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Old 11-13-2023, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I don't talk a lot of contract stuff with FOs, but I do get the sense that they are pretty hard line, which is refreshing. There are a few go along to get along guys in their ranks, though. Surprisingly most of them are corporate guys. The skywesters, who also had no union, totally get it.
Theres a certain amount of satisfaction in bringing a place to its knees just because you can. Hopefully this time it results in prosperous results for all of us.

We have the ability to get it all and should demand that from swapa.

My vote is NO, especially if MS is pushing the deal.
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Old 11-14-2023, 05:50 PM
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I get tired of hearing, "The company isn't playing nice". Do something about it then. DAL, Uni-Ted and AA got it done. All supposedly standard or better. What's our excuse?
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Old 11-14-2023, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Noconcessions
I get tired of hearing, "The company isn't playing nice". Do something about it then. DAL, Uni-Ted and AA got it done. All supposedly standard or better. What's our excuse?
Yep, and we're hamstrung by the process outlined in the RLA. Roll with it. We're working the pathway towards the contract - whether it takes an agreement or a strike. Don't fold like a cheap suit. If the first TA is a turd, don't be afraid to vote no.

Screw'em... the company should have settled back in the day. They chose their path, and it was at our collective expense. Now they want us to pay for their gamble. Not in the mood... I'm ready to strike.
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Old 11-14-2023, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I don't talk a lot of contract stuff with FOs, but I do get the sense that they are pretty hard line, which is refreshing. There are a few go along to get along guys in their ranks, though. Surprisingly most of them are corporate guys. The skywesters, who also had no union, totally get it.
A very large contingent of former corporate guys were hired for their "can do" attitude apparently by SWA. There are a lot of posts from them bragging about that attitude on this forum from 2014-2019. I'm not really surprised to hear that.
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Old 11-14-2023, 08:59 PM
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A very large contingent of former corporate guys were hired for their "can do" attitude apparently by SWA. There are a lot of posts from them bragging about that attitude on this forum from 2014-2019. I'm not really surprised to hear that.
A lot of former corporate guys are also Lost Decade folks. Like me. I did seven years at the regionals and bailed to corporate in 2007 until 2015.

We may be “can do” types…but we ain’t all stupid. Don’t forget those “can do” military guys! Harrumph
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Old 11-15-2023, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d
A lot of former corporate guys are also Lost Decade folks. Like me. I did seven years at the regionals and bailed to corporate in 2007 until 2015.

We may be “can do” types…but we ain’t all stupid. Don’t forget those “can do” military guys! Harrumph
Me too. Was airline 1996 until 2004. Bailed to corporate to wait out the lost decade until 2013 when I came here for the supposed job security.

A lot of wasted time, now I need to catch up. Show me the money.
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Old 11-15-2023, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d
A lot of former corporate guys are also Lost Decade folks. Like me. I did seven years at the regionals and bailed to corporate in 2007 until 2015.

We may be “can do” types…but we ain’t all stupid. Don’t forget those “can do” military guys! Harrumph
Plenty of us military guys are at our first airline and would love to show what we “can do” by striking!
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Originally Posted by Noconcessions
I get tired of hearing, "The company isn't playing nice". Do something about it then. DAL, Uni-Ted and AA got it done. All supposedly standard or better. What's our excuse?
they all requested mediation and some did strike authorization votes very early in the process.
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Old 11-15-2023, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Noconcessions
I get tired of hearing, "The company isn't playing nice". Do something about it then. DAL, Uni-Ted and AA got it done. All supposedly standard or better. What's our excuse?
Our excuse is a weak pilot group that can’t put 2 + 2 together on how to exert leverage on the company.

SWAPA can only follow the RLA process. They should’ve filed for mediation much sooner. Other than that, what else can they do?

More appropriately you should be asking yourself what we can do to exert leverage. It’s not rocket surgery.

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Old 11-15-2023, 06:24 AM
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Last time I talked to my rep he said there are so many guys who want to go on strike regardless of what the NC brings the pilot group that it would be challenging to pass a TA no matter what's in it.
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