Southwest Redeyes
11-08-2023, 03:03 PM
#31
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It’s irrelevant unless they get the reserve section fixed. They can not operate red eyes until that is done. So while it is in the CBA it will depend on the language we accept as a trade off to allowing a C shift reserve. Reading BoJo’s talking points I can read he expects the contract wrapped up quickly and red eyes starting with the schedule update for 2Q. IMO needs to be one and done in red eyes. No OGG-HNL-LAX red eyes, which is what they want to do. In addition an extra 50 and hour will just about make sure you have enough volunteers. C shift reserves need a premium also even if they don’t work. Maybe 8.0 a day and 8.5 if the work.
We shall have to wait and see but from the head moron it seems we will not wait long.
We shall have to wait and see but from the head moron it seems we will not wait long.
11-08-2023, 03:59 PM
#34
weekends off? Nope...
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You need to reread the contract. There is nothing preventing you from working a flight or two or three and then a redeye currently. The only stipulation on flying after a redeye is that you can't do it unless it's a deadhead. You don't need a 3rd reserve shift as long as the redeye isn't on day 1 and you have proper rest...there is nothing in the CBA preventing it, nor in the FARs. It would be hard to cover with no reserves legal should someone call off before a redeye...so they'd have to reroute, JA, or offer it up for premium....with the new LCO and escalating pay above the rigs...someone will do it.
11-08-2023, 04:21 PM
#35
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You need to reread the contract. There is nothing preventing you from working a flight or two or three and then a redeye currently. The only stipulation on flying after a redeye is that you can't do it unless it's a deadhead. You don't need a 3rd reserve shift as long as the redeye isn't on day 1 and you have proper rest...there is nothing in the CBA preventing it, nor in the FARs. It would be hard to cover with no reserves legal should someone call off before a redeye...so they'd have to reroute, JA, or offer it up for premium....with the new LCO and escalating pay above the rigs...someone will do it.
Thus the reason we need to shore up in the new CBA red eye language. They will not schedule a red eye right now because they have no reserve coverage for it if they need to. You would have a hard time finding a JA for it or a reassign as running someone that late means they started late to begin with. We have the leverage because we only have 2 reserve blocks. Do not give the the third block until we get something for it. Those were my ideas of it previously.
11-08-2023, 04:37 PM
#36
At your mom's house
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Thus the reason we need to shore up in the new CBA red eye language. They will not schedule a red eye right now because they have no reserve coverage for it if they need to. You would have a hard time finding a JA for it or a reassign as running someone that late means they started late to begin with. We have the leverage because we only have 2 reserve blocks. Do not give the the third block until we get something for it. Those were my ideas of it previously.
What the NC thinks us a good deal and what those flying the line thinks may be a bridge too far.
Some of the things already AIPd are out of touch
11-08-2023, 05:51 PM
#37
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The same way they cover anything, with a reroute or CX. There are no reserves in HI.
11-08-2023, 06:45 PM
#38
weekends off? Nope...
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There could be reserves in Hawaii if they build embedded reserve....would love to see them try to build an embedded red eye reserve into a normal pairing!
11-08-2023, 07:12 PM
#39
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JA, reroute, LRF….they’ll do what they always do…put out the closest fire and worry about the inferno later.
11-08-2023, 07:17 PM
#40
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Thus the reason we need to shore up in the new CBA red eye language. They will not schedule a red eye right now because they have no reserve coverage for it if they need to. You would have a hard time finding a JA for it or a reassign as running someone that late means they started late to begin with. We have the leverage because we only have 2 reserve blocks. Do not give the the third block until we get something for it. Those were my ideas of it previously.
Lots of DEN trips have day 1 with reports around 2000-2100 to fly 1 leg to the west coast. I don’t like working past 0200 but I’ll take a 1-2 leg day with show times after dinner any day.
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