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Old 11-13-2023, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gipple
Waste of time writing fatique reports. Do you think yours is the first time the fatigue monkeys have seen your report? Another full time trip pull for a SWAPA Klingon. Dead silence would let the cubicle dwellers know that we have quiet quit. Nothing changes based on fatigue. Nobody on either side GAS. Club 5/20.
If there's one thing we have that truly is industry leading, it's our fatigue policy. Fatigue calls are easy, no questions asked, and pay protected (as long as you're not on a premium trip). I wouldn't advocate for anything that would change this policy. It takes me 5 minutes to fill out their form. Not worth getting worked up about.
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Old 11-13-2023, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gipple
Waste of time writing fatique reports. Do you think yours is the first time the fatigue monkeys have seen your report? Another full time trip pull for a SWAPA Klingon. Dead silence would let the cubicle dwellers know that we have quiet quit. Nothing changes based on fatigue. Nobody on either side GAS. Club 5/20.
In my experience they’ve helped. The clowns in DAL won’t change their behavior if they think what they’re doing is fine.

There’s a reason west coast guys don’t do east coast AM’s with any regularity and east coast guys don’t do west coast PM’s. Because of fatigue reports.
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Old 11-13-2023, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
If there's one thing we have that truly is industry leading, it's our fatigue policy. Fatigue calls are easy, no questions asked, and pay protected (as long as you're not on a premium trip). I wouldn't advocate for anything that would change this policy. It takes me 5 minutes to fill out their form. Not worth getting worked up about.
One of the things not currently AIP’d is fatigue pay. You shouldn’t be penalized on a premium trip due to company fault. Theres no record of us abusing it for pay and I doubt there will be in the future. Pay us what we bid.
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Old 11-13-2023, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I read that Southwest will start doing redeyes early next year.

Why haven’t they done redeyes before this? How will this affect staffing and pilot utilization?


You seem to troll the SWA section a lot, stir the pot, then leave.

Is that because everyone hates you on the United forum?


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Old 11-14-2023, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
If there's one thing we have that truly is industry leading, it's our fatigue policy. Fatigue calls are easy, no questions asked, and pay protected (as long as you're not on a premium trip). I wouldn't advocate for anything that would change this policy. It takes me 5 minutes to fill out their form. Not worth getting worked up about.
I think we’re industry standard, at least compared to my last regional.
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Old 11-14-2023, 06:57 AM
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I think we’re industry standard, at least compared to my last regional.
Which regional has a no-questions-asked and full-pay* (minus premium) fatigue policy? Genuinely curious...

I know legacies don't have this part as good as we do.
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Old 11-14-2023, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
I think we’re industry standard, at least compared to my last regional.

the idea that pilots should get premium pay after calling in fatigued after check in is ridiculous. I’m all for a leading industry contract, but this one doesn’t pass the smell test .
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Old 11-14-2023, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by golfandflows
the idea that pilots should get premium pay after calling in fatigued after check in is ridiculous. I’m all for a leading industry contract, but this one doesn’t pass the smell test .
No pilot should get financially penalized for making a safety decision. Premium pay or straight pay is irrelevant.
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Old 11-14-2023, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
No pilot should get financially penalized for making a safety decision. Premium pay or straight pay is irrelevant.
Hit the nail on the head.
I sure am tired, but I don't want to lose premium pay for the rest of today and half of tomorrow.
It's a real thing. If a trip is awarded P, there should be no financial disincentive from calling out fatigued. I am sure some will abuse it, but that's just the cost of doing business.
I am very happy with our fatigue program. It is very well executed. It is the model for the whole industry with this one exception.
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Originally Posted by golfandflows
the idea that pilots should get premium pay after calling in fatigued after check in is ridiculous. I’m all for a leading industry contract, but this one doesn’t pass the smell test .
You are either a troll, insane or inept, possibly a combo of three. If you make a pilot choose a financial penalty over safety you are putting them in a crappy position. If I am rerouted or moved up due to their ****ty operation and then at some point I am fatigued, I shouldn’t lose the premium pay because I am choosing to be safe.
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