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Old 11-10-2023, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
They aren't hiring with R-ATP...yet. There has been a big shift at the training center and on the line with regard to adjusting to experience levels of new hires. Just a few years ago, they were hiring super experienced folks with a type rating in hand and giving them a really poorly executed, cheap, and truncated new hire training and then throwing them on the line to learn everything.
I heard directly from a standards check airman that they were told that we were going to hire with a R-ATP and standards put the brakes on it, at least temporarily. I would be very surprised if they do not lower the mins within the next 12 months, or at least when AQP is fully implemented. For right now, though, you have to have a full up ATP.
That's really interesting. I mean, that makes sense IIRC pilots used to pay for their own type rating before even applying the landscape has changed a lot.
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Old 11-10-2023, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by flensr
If you want to get hired, you'll figure out how to get those hours. Instruct freelance through a local FBO, a flying club, or training academy. Fly for CAP. Pay for your own hours (I know I know). Do whatever it takes to get your 1500 hrs and full ATP.

There are 21 yr old pilots hustling to get 1500 hrs before the hiring boom ends and if you don't hustle too, you'll be the one sitting out the next hiring pause.
I totally agree. I'm flying GA, MIL, and will be starting 121 in a few months. Between training delays and the other realities of the situation I'm estimating 18-24 months from today until I have a full up ATP. That was sort of at the core of my post, if it was the case that WN would hire with less then 1500 hrs then It would expidite my journey...before another pause.
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