RJSAviator76

I'm not necessarily an automatic no... The big thing I wanted to see addressed in this contract cycle is LTD and NC said that it's going to be industry-leading. OK... let's see the details and the rest.

Short us on retro, easy NO. Short us on pay rates, pay at min guarantee and NEC, another easy NO. Still undecided on LCO concept and want more education - not big on giving up move-ups. Co-terminals don't sway me one way or another yet... waiting to see the final language and get more education. Hotel issue appears on the negative side as I fully support being completely detached from FA's, but let's see the final product... and the YUGE elephant in the room - the scheduling section - this will probably make it or break it.

mulcher

No they are saying it’s objectively industry leading. Might want to look harder at how those co terminals could affect you today as well as in the future. The 3 listed will affect every base. They are already saying we will not be separated from FAs. Plus hotels like monarch and Elegante will be acceptable. The other stuff I agree we will need to see.

waterskisabersw

For those of you who are a no just based on no separate hotels, you might make the effort of calling your reps and asking them about it. Their answer might surprise you.

Disclaimer: I absolutely want separate hotels.

mulcher

While I want seperate hotels I can deal if we dont. But I have talked to them and two have posted about hotels OTOF. What they say or don't say when asked questions isn't that great.

Traffic Alert

Separate hotels aren’t needed. It’s nice to have crew to be social with. We need separate vans, long stay hotels and the ability to leave when OUR job is done. Checking the girt bars is just a lame excuse to make us stay.

WHACKMASTER

We’re supposed to check girt bars?

🔥👇

Fuseplug

Never had an FA check to make sure I shut off the IRSs. Odd.

RJSAviator76

Would that depend on what your definition of ‘is’ is? 😜 I presume that by ‘objectively’ they mean not subject to an opinion or bias. It just is industry leading. Let’s see the details.

With respect to co-terminals, we’ve beaten that one into the ground. You’re absolutely right it’ll affect every base. The company will make that flying happen, period. We’ll have more DFW, ORD and IAH layovers. We’ll have early originators and we’ll have terminators at all 3. The question is which base(s) will have the increase in pairings to cover those airports and which bases stagnate as a result. If you’re say in PHX or BNA, you have every reason to be opposed to co-terminals because you’d get the increased flying to cover those 3 airports, ergo more lines, quicker seniority progression, while someone based at MDW, DAL or HOU would stagnate because those places are tapped out for growth.

With hotels, I don’t sherpa my food. I don’t bring my own hibachi. I couldn’t care less about fridge in the room. I’m over Doubletrees or Hyatt Places or airport dive hotels with zero food options. I realize FA’s have different priorities and they’re more than welcome to them. I don’t share their priorities and I don’t care for waiting for them on already short layovers. I ESPECIALLY can’t stand sitting in a crew van with my crew waiting for one more crew, only for someone to need a cab because we’re full. Seriously over that BS! Last time, I took a cab, and got reimbursed for it.

Like I said, lots of ambiguities that need to be clarified.

flyguy81

Last time I was in SMF....cleared the elevator by the giant red bunny and the new FA said she left her iPad in the airplane. So we had to wait....20 min for her to fetch it because the van didn't have enough time to do a 180 and get back before the next crew pickup. After we block in on the last leg....IDGAF what they do or where they go. I want to be able to get to my room and not have to deal with their drama ASAP.

Liberty

Amen! Completely agree