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08-16-2023, 06:18 AM
#21
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We don’t dh on offline carriers… only SW flights. Deadheaders are allowed to pre-board and choose whatever seat desired. In a perfect world its not an issue, but the problem arrises when there is a tight connection and pre-board is not an option. In that case it may or may not be a middle seat depending on how full the flight.
There needs to be language to address that situation. Maybe the ops agent informs the operating crew to block an aisle seat for each dh’er that is on tight connect?? Or additional pay if there is not enough connection time to pre-board??
There needs to be language to address that situation. Maybe the ops agent informs the operating crew to block an aisle seat for each dh’er that is on tight connect?? Or additional pay if there is not enough connection time to pre-board??
Most contracts just have the dh middle seat language and it applies on and offline. Maybe start with that for other future unforeseeable scenarios (giving yourself the ability to go offline) and have additional carveout language for swa specific flights due to your boarding.
08-16-2023, 07:17 AM
#22
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It's not that we don't have the ability -- there is indeed a CBA paragraph specifically allowing it. It's that it just doesn't normally happen, aside from exceptionally rare situations like the offline divert you mention. Unfortunately all it says is that segments over 5 hours will be booked in first class, but only if they'll be followed by a flying segment that day. That's it.
08-16-2023, 07:36 AM
#23
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It's not that we don't have the ability -- there is indeed a CBA paragraph specifically allowing it. It's that it just doesn't normally happen, aside from exceptionally rare situations like the offline divert you mention. Unfortunately all it says is that segments over 5 hours will be booked in first class, but only if they'll be followed by a flying segment that day. That's it.
Here’s some fairly standard middle seat dh language.
When a pilot, through no fault of their own, is required to dh in a middle seat the pilot shall be compensated at 150% of the credit value of the leg(s) in which the middle seat was occupied.
This payment shall be in addition to the value of the sequence and above the pilot’s monthly pay guarantee.
The fact that you can go offline will give you the ability to tighten up reassignment language a bit and why I also mentioned that as well. I want to go offline and get back asap. You have to buy an offline ticket if there’s a flight available (you could make this voluntary) and get me back.
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08-16-2023, 08:12 AM
#24
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Easiest way to fix the middle seat issue, is DH legs pay 6.5 tfp or 300% if not allowed opportunity to pre board.
I know, I know. Squozenized Ballons and things.
I know, I know. Squozenized Ballons and things.
08-16-2023, 08:16 AM
#25
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Pre board solves the problem 95% of the time… until they decide some random Thursday that we’re going to assigned seating. Then all of the sudden we have to negotiate for no middle seats and they ask, “what are you willing to give up for it?”
It needs to go into the CBA now while it’s still a no cost item. Right along with “all SWA flights will be flown with a minimum of TWO flight deck crew members who have at least an airline transport pilot certificate and are type rated in the aircraft”
It needs to go into the CBA now while it’s still a no cost item. Right along with “all SWA flights will be flown with a minimum of TWO flight deck crew members who have at least an airline transport pilot certificate and are type rated in the aircraft”
08-16-2023, 09:01 AM
#27
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Pre board solves the problem 95% of the time… until they decide some random Thursday that we’re going to assigned seating. Then all of the sudden we have to negotiate for no middle seats and they ask, “what are you willing to give up for it?”
It needs to go into the CBA now while it’s still a no cost item. Right along with “all SWA flights will be flown with a minimum of TWO flight deck crew members who have at least an airline transport pilot certificate and are type rated in the aircraft”
It needs to go into the CBA now while it’s still a no cost item. Right along with “all SWA flights will be flown with a minimum of TWO flight deck crew members who have at least an airline transport pilot certificate and are type rated in the aircraft”
When it looked like we were merging with nk. They have the window or aisle only provision but no middle seat protection language. We asked them. What’s your standing remedy when a pilot ends up in a middle? Better to just avoid that issue and get the protection.
08-16-2023, 10:00 AM
#28
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Good concept. Since we don’t assign seats someone could always say you they to sit in a middle seat. How about if there is less than one hour scheduled or actual prior to a deadhead, that leg pays premium.
08-16-2023, 11:07 AM
#29
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Would apply to straight, premium, JA, etc.
08-16-2023, 11:59 AM
#30
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Make it a multiplier %. If you’re on a premium trip then there’s no penalty if they force you in the middle seat. Automatic 50% override on any leg where you are not afforded the chance to pre-board…either due to ops agent being petty or scheduling dishing out a reroute where you’ve less than 1 hr ground time.
Would apply to straight, premium, JA, etc.
Would apply to straight, premium, JA, etc.
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