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Old 07-27-2023, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gipple
Gary Kelly, the puppet master, is hell bent on sticking it to labor and mostly to pilots. I believe he is fixated on destroying SWAPA, up to and including bankrupting the airline.
Let’s do it. I have other options and am not afraid to take this to the mat.
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Old 07-27-2023, 05:38 AM
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What was the update?
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Old 07-27-2023, 05:40 AM
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We shouldn't be doing anything rash. I believe they're goading us into doing something stupid or illegal so they can sue us because at this point, that's all the company has. Don't fall for it.

Let SWAPA do its thing so we can legally get released and legally park those 800+ jets. After all, I'd love to see BoJo explain to the CNBC why the company is losing anywhere from 140 to 170 million dollars a day in lost revenue due to legal pilot strike.
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Old 07-27-2023, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
We shouldn't be doing anything rash. I believe they're goading us into doing something stupid or illegal so they can sue us because at this point, that's all the company has. Don't fall for it.

Let SWAPA do its thing so we can legally get released and legally park those 800+ jets. After all, I'd love to see BoJo explain to the CNBC why the company is losing anywhere from 140 to 170 million dollars a day in lost revenue due to legal pilot strike.
Totally agree. I have never been nor ever will be approving of anything illegal. Still feels good to vent on here lol.

I know SWAPA is going to eat their lunch, especially after this quarterly update and AA/US deals moving forward with larger numbers.
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Old 07-27-2023, 05:46 AM
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What was the update?
Basically same **** different day, our SWAPA president asked our NC team to basically walk out and suspend negotiations this week.
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot;[url=tel:3673366
3673366[/url]]22 years of my civilian career picking the wrong companies. Thought I couldn’t go wrong here… HAAAAAAAAA! This airline is the biggest facade I’ve experienced. I’m ready to help fly it to the scene of the crash before I walk over to the next $h!thole. This management that possesses not a single bone of leadership is the most delusional group I’ve seen since all the mask and covid therapeutic shot believers.
👆👆👆 This!!!
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Old 07-27-2023, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
We shouldn't be doing anything rash. I believe they're goading us into doing something stupid or illegal so they can sue us because at this point, that's all the company has. Don't fall for it.

Let SWAPA do its thing so we can legally get released and legally park those 800+ jets. After all, I'd love to see BoJo explain to the CNBC why the company is losing anywhere from 140 to 170 million dollars a day in lost revenue due to legal pilot strike.
Nobody is doing anything rash. I think we all mean to express that IF the LEGAL pathway to striking opens, we are willing to take this upto and including the complete collapse of southwest airlines should they choose to play hardball at that point in time. Let it go down in history as a good aviation book like PanAm and Eastern. I for one have zero $hit to give anymore, and am willing to go down with this rudderless ship just out of principle. Kool-aid drinking time is over for me. I don't care to carry on any type of "culture". There is no culture here if there ever was. It's not my job to keep that BS alive, that's on management. They set the tone.
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Old 07-27-2023, 01:25 PM
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The pilot shortage will get worse everyday for years to come and the second any SWA pilot applied to Delta, American, or United the app would get pulled and you’d be sitting in a new hire class a month later.

There should be zero fear to strike. YOU HAVE ALL THE LEVERAGE. This place is a massive dumpster fire of an operation. Your management has been running every part of the operation into the ground for years. This is now considered a JV airline and should be used to receive a type rating and pursue the next job just like the regional airline business.

To be frank, to even be competitive and not have the operation shrink permanently your TA has to be better than the big 3’s contracts.

Again SWAPA needs to get their house in order along with every pilot on property to legally strike.
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Meanwhile it took APA and AAL less than four days to come to an agreement for possible TA2.0.

https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-ne...p-with-pilots/
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Old 07-27-2023, 05:23 PM
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Meanwhile it took APA and AAL less than four days to come to an agreement for possible TA2.0.
Because they didn’t have to do any heavy lifting. Didn’t improve rates. And AAs union is dysfunctional.
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