hoover

I've gotten to the point if its hotel Van's and not hired transportation I just leave them. The amount of time it takes for them to get their stuff and off the plane the van will already be back around again.
as far as pilots v FAs it's more of other protected groups v white Male pilots. over 90% of our pilots are white Male that's why pilots will never come out ahead.
I think we need to re poll the group on certain issues and reopens AIPd sections to get more up to date

mulcher

We are already AIP non industry standard and lagging items. SAIEW. Yet some OTOF will adamantly say it is different . Sorry it’s still the same. Be ready to be underwhelmed by our association.

LuvsTacos

Already a no vote on whatever is served up for the hotel failure. I don’t pay dues for getting slightly better hotel language for the FAs to enjoy, that’s their problem… also repeat this in Your head “JA = NO TA”. It’s going to have to be TA2/3 again.

Hobbit64

<Golf Clap>
Bravo!
Well done. Between your phrase and Zard’s redline of hearing the Golden Goose’s ‘Safe Word’; I am in awe.

You join an E-Lite group.

BTW, I spoke directly to a base rep on my desire for separate hotels and was seriously unimpressed.

Looks like I’ll be a ‘NO’ vote for the rest of my career.

Grumpyaviator

I’m a no vote without separate hotels and JA protection. Also if there is nothing about overrides for shoulder flying.

Lostboys97

But but we don't do red eyes......

mulcher

You are a No then. JA is also staying along with continued pathetic hotel language. How many more underwhelming or lagging items will we have? My guess is many more. SWApA is not listening!

vanillawafer

Thank you for the couple of pilots who has responded & validated my stance against defamatory name calling -I haven’t been aware of the reasons behind desire for separate hotels -I’m open to being educated . It seems that there has been a past negative experience between fa’s & pilots on overnights -sincere apologies -this has never been on my sphere of experience . I’m a little confused about responses of wait time -unless I’m understanding that pilots feel that hotel selection should be the closest option to airport -& perhaps fa’s are concerned with quality of life while on overnights -also a little confused about responses due to waiting on crew members -it’s my general experience that my crews tend to wait on pilots not the other way around -as they are finishing their procedures - occasionally this is substantial , but most times this is minimal & not standard . As far as waiting on hotel / shuttle transit , agreed that this annoying at the very least & has increased substantially over the years . Give me a maf or Lbb overnight anytime , where the van is there waiting for me . Many times i do secure Uber / etc for excessive wait times & have been reimbursed with no issue . Sincere cringe worthy embarrassment , if someone has lost their job due to a harassment or falsehood . I won’t speak to past predatory practice of a few employees -as much of that was here say . Everyone deserves a safe , comfortable ,
Professional work experience on and off the clock . If special note , it’s been many years -but there have been a couple of instances where I experience an unsafe occurrence from a outside hotel guest ,& once -a pax who followed me to hotel -both times , a pilot stepped in & spoke with hotel management about concern for safety -it is with gratitude & thankfulness that I’ve had a male pilot step up

CA1900

I think it's more that pilots tend to want different things in a hotel than FAs. I'll leave out specific cities, but to pick one example, many FAs like one of our hotels because it's near a nice shopping mall in a tax-free state. Many pilots, me included, detest that hotel because it's very old and it's only near a shopping mall! 99% of the time, I want to be in a city center or other dense area so I can do things. I'm currently stuck for 20 hours at an isolated airport hotel, for example. I hate it, and this is the exact kind of scenario where we need hotel standards that would prevent this. An 11 hour overnight? This one's great; it's close. But on a long overnight it drains my soul.

Personally, I don't care about being in different hotels, but I do care that each group sets the standards of what's important to them. If those overlap, and I imagine they frequently will, then that's fine -- we'll be in the same hotel. If they don't, we won't.

This is because of our company procedures, many of which we can't do until the passengers are off. That's why you're waiting on us. Sometimes the ground power doesn't get hooked up properly (or at all). The ground crews often don't hook up ground air at the end of the day, so we have to run the APU for passenger/crew airflow during deplaning. We can't leave the APU unattended (again, a company policy, not an airplane requirement), so we can't shut it down until almost everybody's off. But since we had to wait to shut it down, now we're waiting 5 full minutes on the Max (that one is an airplane limit) before we can power everything else down and leave the airplane.

Meanwhile we also have to double-check the girt bars at the end of the night, even though our FAs are 100% capable of operating and cross-checking them all day long. Why? I don't know. Because that's "how we've always done it," I guess. But with every other airline on the planet I've ridden on, pilots finish the pilot stuff and step off, with the APU and other systems still running, and ground operations takes over doing their nightly stuff with it. I swear we do a lot of things differently just for the sake of being different, and are incredibly resistant to changing it. Up until just a few years ago, pilots couldn't even both leave the airplane at the same time unless it was completely powered down! That one only took 45 years to change, so maybe there's hope.

WHACKMASTER

The bottom line is that there’s a very small minority in each work group that are unpleasant to work with.

The harsh reality of the times is that if you’re a straight white male pilot, and a “protected class” accuses you of something, the company with fire first and ask questions later.

It’s gotten to the point where our advocates (our Chief Pilots) have gotten completely neutered with regard to protecting us from HR and the FA union leadership who seem to have a vendetta against us.

Please understand that that is the dynamic in play. It’s sad and unfortunate but that’s the reality facing us when we go to work. I hope you can understand why there is a push to separate us from this threat to our livelihood.

Otherwise, I’d like to personally apologize for the derogatory remarks on here. Again, 95-99% of our work groups are fine to work with but there are different dynamics in place in today’s world that make us leery of putting our livelihood on the line.