FAs have an AIP...
07-13-2023, 08:20 PM
#132
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 137
Unrelated, but posting here because this thread is about AIPs…
Hoping that SWAPA negotiation committee reps will see this.
Delta has their contract, AA is about to pass theirs, and it looks like UA has a second one, which will very likely be successful—
PLEASE do not forward to the union anything that won’t be passed by 95+ percent of the pilot group, i.e. a shockingly good contract.
It sounds like a couple AIPed sections may need to be readdressed now as market conditions and pilot sentiment has changed. Please do this.
Please do not forward us something with the caveat “this is the best we could do”
The next 3 months appear to be, luckily for us, the time of the most leverage we will ever have as a union: the other 3 majors far exceed us now, and we’re in a desperate competition with them for the dwindling supply of new pilots. SWA can’t afford to hemorrhage new hires like we have been, and the increased pace of meetings is a demonstration of management’s desperate need to provide a similar contract to keep new pilots coming in. Our entire Southwest Airlines business model now, probably for the first time in 40+ years rests on maintaining an incoming supply of pilots. We are the key.
PLEASE think out of the box and not settle for anything remotely comparable to our competitors. Exceed them in every area by a mile. This would be unprecedented in negotiations, but now is the only time in a career to make a historic, outlandish gain.
The next two months is the time to be unreasonable and press them hard enough that they refuse to meet our demands. Your membership is ready to back you up with a strike. It’s unlikely we’ll need to use this tool, because shareholders-given a choice between a rock and a hard place-will rather pay pilots too much than shut down the airline.
Please be the union leadership that becomes a business school case study as having defeated management. The Southwest financial position is strong enough to support this, as the entire industry is turning in record profit.
Thanks for the hard work you’re doing. Looking forward to buying you all beer when you deliver us an eye-watering contact.
Hoping that SWAPA negotiation committee reps will see this.
Delta has their contract, AA is about to pass theirs, and it looks like UA has a second one, which will very likely be successful—
PLEASE do not forward to the union anything that won’t be passed by 95+ percent of the pilot group, i.e. a shockingly good contract.
It sounds like a couple AIPed sections may need to be readdressed now as market conditions and pilot sentiment has changed. Please do this.
Please do not forward us something with the caveat “this is the best we could do”
The next 3 months appear to be, luckily for us, the time of the most leverage we will ever have as a union: the other 3 majors far exceed us now, and we’re in a desperate competition with them for the dwindling supply of new pilots. SWA can’t afford to hemorrhage new hires like we have been, and the increased pace of meetings is a demonstration of management’s desperate need to provide a similar contract to keep new pilots coming in. Our entire Southwest Airlines business model now, probably for the first time in 40+ years rests on maintaining an incoming supply of pilots. We are the key.
PLEASE think out of the box and not settle for anything remotely comparable to our competitors. Exceed them in every area by a mile. This would be unprecedented in negotiations, but now is the only time in a career to make a historic, outlandish gain.
The next two months is the time to be unreasonable and press them hard enough that they refuse to meet our demands. Your membership is ready to back you up with a strike. It’s unlikely we’ll need to use this tool, because shareholders-given a choice between a rock and a hard place-will rather pay pilots too much than shut down the airline.
Please be the union leadership that becomes a business school case study as having defeated management. The Southwest financial position is strong enough to support this, as the entire industry is turning in record profit.
Thanks for the hard work you’re doing. Looking forward to buying you all beer when you deliver us an eye-watering contact.
07-13-2023, 09:33 PM
#133
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,798
Unrelated, but posting here because this thread is about AIPs…
Hoping that SWAPA negotiation committee reps will see this.
Delta has their contract, AA is about to pass theirs, and it looks like UA has a second one, which will very likely be successful—
PLEASE do not forward to the union anything that won’t be passed by 95+ percent of the pilot group, i.e. a shockingly good contract.
It sounds like a couple AIPed sections may need to be readdressed now as market conditions and pilot sentiment has changed. Please do this.
Please do not forward us something with the caveat “this is the best we could do”
The next 3 months appear to be, luckily for us, the time of the most leverage we will ever have as a union: the other 3 majors far exceed us now, and we’re in a desperate competition with them for the dwindling supply of new pilots. SWA can’t afford to hemorrhage new hires like we have been, and the increased pace of meetings is a demonstration of management’s desperate need to provide a similar contract to keep new pilots coming in. Our entire Southwest Airlines business model now, probably for the first time in 40+ years rests on maintaining an incoming supply of pilots. We are the key.
PLEASE think out of the box and not settle for anything remotely comparable to our competitors. Exceed them in every area by a mile. This would be unprecedented in negotiations, but now is the only time in a career to make a historic, outlandish gain.
The next two months is the time to be unreasonable and press them hard enough that they refuse to meet our demands. Your membership is ready to back you up with a strike. It’s unlikely we’ll need to use this tool, because shareholders-given a choice between a rock and a hard place-will rather pay pilots too much than shut down the airline.
Please be the union leadership that becomes a business school case study as having defeated management. The Southwest financial position is strong enough to support this, as the entire industry is turning in record profit.
Thanks for the hard work you’re doing. Looking forward to buying you all beer when you deliver us an eye-watering contact.
Hoping that SWAPA negotiation committee reps will see this.
Delta has their contract, AA is about to pass theirs, and it looks like UA has a second one, which will very likely be successful—
PLEASE do not forward to the union anything that won’t be passed by 95+ percent of the pilot group, i.e. a shockingly good contract.
It sounds like a couple AIPed sections may need to be readdressed now as market conditions and pilot sentiment has changed. Please do this.
Please do not forward us something with the caveat “this is the best we could do”
The next 3 months appear to be, luckily for us, the time of the most leverage we will ever have as a union: the other 3 majors far exceed us now, and we’re in a desperate competition with them for the dwindling supply of new pilots. SWA can’t afford to hemorrhage new hires like we have been, and the increased pace of meetings is a demonstration of management’s desperate need to provide a similar contract to keep new pilots coming in. Our entire Southwest Airlines business model now, probably for the first time in 40+ years rests on maintaining an incoming supply of pilots. We are the key.
PLEASE think out of the box and not settle for anything remotely comparable to our competitors. Exceed them in every area by a mile. This would be unprecedented in negotiations, but now is the only time in a career to make a historic, outlandish gain.
The next two months is the time to be unreasonable and press them hard enough that they refuse to meet our demands. Your membership is ready to back you up with a strike. It’s unlikely we’ll need to use this tool, because shareholders-given a choice between a rock and a hard place-will rather pay pilots too much than shut down the airline.
Please be the union leadership that becomes a business school case study as having defeated management. The Southwest financial position is strong enough to support this, as the entire industry is turning in record profit.
Thanks for the hard work you’re doing. Looking forward to buying you all beer when you deliver us an eye-watering contact.
It's like they also are toeing the company line. "Don't ask for roo much".
are they wanting a TA 2?
Delta isnt enough
AA is definitely not enough
And I'm sure UA is not enough.
Base on the retro of each they sold out.
I think the membership has the right idea from our group, however, I believe the reps do not.
hopefully the NC do not stick to Flight plan 2020 which is over 3 yrs old.
From my vantage point I dont see anything presented a yes vote.
07-14-2023, 06:36 AM
#134
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,776
based on the push back I've gotten from reps on the AIPd hotel language and the one I spoke with in the jet bridge about retro I'd get theyd be happy with anything close to these previous contracts.
It's like they also are toeing the company line. "Don't ask for roo much".
are they wanting a TA 2?
Delta isnt enough
AA is definitely not enough
And I'm sure UA is not enough.
Base on the retro of each they sold out.
I think the membership has the right idea from our group, however, I believe the reps do not.
hopefully the NC do not stick to Flight plan 2020 which is over 3 yrs old.
From my vantage point I dont see anything presented a yes vote.
It's like they also are toeing the company line. "Don't ask for roo much".
are they wanting a TA 2?
Delta isnt enough
AA is definitely not enough
And I'm sure UA is not enough.
Base on the retro of each they sold out.
I think the membership has the right idea from our group, however, I believe the reps do not.
hopefully the NC do not stick to Flight plan 2020 which is over 3 yrs old.
From my vantage point I dont see anything presented a yes vote.
You're absolutely right... the company needs this far more. Make them pay.
07-14-2023, 07:10 PM
#135
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,779
based on the push back I've gotten from reps on the AIPd hotel language and the one I spoke with in the jet bridge about retro I'd get theyd be happy with anything close to these previous contracts.
It's like they also are toeing the company line. "Don't ask for roo much".
are they wanting a TA 2?
Delta isnt enough
AA is definitely not enough
And I'm sure UA is not enough.
Base on the retro of each they sold out.
I think the membership has the right idea from our group, however, I believe the reps do not.
hopefully the NC do not stick to Flight plan 2020 which is over 3 yrs old.
From my vantage point I dont see anything presented a yes vote.
It's like they also are toeing the company line. "Don't ask for roo much".
are they wanting a TA 2?
Delta isnt enough
AA is definitely not enough
And I'm sure UA is not enough.
Base on the retro of each they sold out.
I think the membership has the right idea from our group, however, I believe the reps do not.
hopefully the NC do not stick to Flight plan 2020 which is over 3 yrs old.
From my vantage point I dont see anything presented a yes vote.
07-14-2023, 07:50 PM
#136
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
It’s impossible for SWA to do just about anything any other airline does easily, like vnav off the ground, auto throttles till landing, electronic releases, etc.
I just want our own hotel committee so we don’t have our off-duty lives dictated by power hungry FAs.
07-15-2023, 05:44 AM
#137
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,779
I am in agreement, I was more shocked that the rep said that, this right after telling me the reps and BOD are not yessies. Like, if we are just going to take the companies word on it and not push back, I am less hopeful that we are going to see anything worth a yes vote.
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