EyeKantEven

Correct…. And it wasn’t a state back when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

ROFF

In a previous life I had to go thru customs and BP in Miami, inbound from Alaska.

That was alway a fun discussion with the geniuses.

loveislost7M8

Biggest lie of all: "You'll get Market Rates"

At 1.149 conversion TFP to Block Hour the Rates presented are less than Delta and AA 737 rates.

Lewbronski

Sorry, but DL and AA 737 rates are NOT market rates for us. Given the tremendous current difference in career earnings between a SWA pilot and pilots at AA, DL, UA, FedEx, and UPS, which are made possible by their earlier upgrades and widebody pay opportunities, AND given how many more departures, passengers, and block hours SWAPA pilots fly than our peers, our market rates are OAL widebody-plus rates. According to SWAPA, SWAPA pilots fly an average of 83% more departures, 63% more passengers, and 24% more block hours (or 30% more according to MIT) than Delta.

Put all of that together and market rates for us will have to be something north of Delta's current, and AA's and FedEx's proposed, widebody rates. And yes, if we do not fold, we have the leverage to achieve widebody-plus rates.

loveislost7M8

I completely agree with you, just pointing out another lie for the thread.

SlipKid

That's a huge "if".......While I am certainly encouraged by the latest resolve as shown by the SAV, I've still got some major trust issues based on a lot of different past and current metrics....... I'd love to be proven wrong.

Lewbronski

It is a huge, as in HUGE, if. I seriously doubt that we have that kind of resolve though I'd also love, love, love to be proven wrong. And I likewise have major trust issues with the way our pilot group performs in negotiations for many, many reasons.

While the SAV was encouraging, it's only a step in the right direction. Both Alaska and Delta obtained similar SAV results and they both folded for far short of what they could have obtained.

Given our history and our culture, our pilot group is most similar in attitude and expectations to Alaska's pilot group. When I look at what happened there with their most recent contract and what has happened here for the last several decades, up to and including the latest LRF agreement during Section 6 negotiations/mediation, I am not encouraged. Again, I hope to be proven utterly incorrect.

Cyio

I dont know, while I know there is a history here that I am not privy too, it would seem at least from my very small sample size that people are not going to accept something sub-par. I hope I am right and you are wrong, only time is going tell on this one and a constant push by the union to stay focused.

Browntown

Trying to make travel plans. I don't want to feel rushed but would rather get outta Dallas as fast as possible. If I get 730 slot what time do you think I'll be done and able to head to the airport?

realbarryb

I was able to make a 3:15 flight outta DAL