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Old 05-25-2023, 06:27 PM
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D.I.E. simplified. Minorities, women and people with alternative lifestyles will work for far lower wages than whites. The more of these people hired, the more $$ the corporation saves. The End.
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D.I.E. simplified. Minorities, women and people with alternative lifestyles will work for far lower wages than whites. The more of these people hired, the more $$ the corporation saves. The End.
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Originally Posted by Noconcessions
D.I.E. simplified. Minorities, women and people with alternative lifestyles will work for far lower wages than whites. The more of these people hired, the more $$ the corporation saves. The End.

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Originally Posted by Noconcessions
D.I.E. simplified. Minorities, women and people with alternative lifestyles will work for far lower wages than whites. The more of these people hired, the more $$ the corporation saves. The End.
Not entirely false, but the question is do they allow it or is it forced in them? Also, this would only be true in situations where salaries are negotiated.

In the case of contract employees all employees are negotiated the same rate regardless.
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Old 05-26-2023, 08:58 AM
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It’s always about money. Getting a positive ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) rating on your stock taps you into a multi billion dollar investment market. It’s so important to the left that Biden used the first veto of his Presidency in order to protect a rule that says fund managers must use ESG factors within the context of what is in investors’ best interests (for federal workers). Not exclusively, but it’s part of the formula. With the personal fortune of many corporate executives (including ours) is directly tied to a positive ESG rating, is it any wonder why the DEI push is happening across corporate America? Don’t think it’s because they actually care or believe the words they’re saying​​​​​. It’s the stock price.

In my opinion, ESG ratings are an example of something that started out positive but turned. I don’t really want my investment dollars going to Phillip Morris or a strip mining operation. The problem is that the rating process is unregulated and has been co-opted by the left to push agendas that aren’t necessarily in the company’s or investor’s best interest, but they in effect must comply with anyway.
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You are being racist and prejudice. There are plenty of upper middle class kids that aren't white. And low income people aren't only black people. Since u wanna talk about "the ghetto". This country has plenty of black people that are upper middle class. And even some that have a parent that is a pilot. Wow imagine that! You make a lot of stupid assumptions in your post!
Our president says differently.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/u...poor-kids.html
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A lot of it has to do with them saving money. Think about it. You go to the inner cities and ghettos to try and get people interested in aviation. These kids come from nothing so they would be willing to work for much less than the upper middle class white kid who grows up around other successful people. Or the kid whose dad is a pilot and knows how much sacrifice the career takes.

Not being racist or condescending to the kids who don’t have the luxury of paying cash for flight training or needing extra assistance, but I think this is what is happening.

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying about the company using it as a recruiting tool, but as a minority, there are a lot of upper middle class black people and poor white people in the country or hoods out there. So it’s not always the black kid from the hood that the company is getting.

I would argue that most black pilots had a decent background or military background. I know there are some who truly had rags to riches stories, but the point is that I think it’s ignorant to assume that black pilots are coming from the hood.
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Originally Posted by Fly4FunAA
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying about the company using it as a recruiting tool, but as a minority, there are a lot of upper middle class black people and poor white people in the country or hoods out there. So it’s not always the black kid from the hood that the company is getting.

I would argue that most black pilots had a decent background or military background. I know there are some who truly had rags to riches stories, but the point is that I think it’s ignorant to assume that black pilots are coming from the hood.
Of course there are successful and wealthy blacks and Hispanics across the country. I never said there weren't. However, who is the company going after with the DEI push? Are they also getting poor white kids in addition to the underprivileged minorities from the poorer areas? I don't see any evidence of that. the DEI is to make minorities achieve the same and more than what society perceives whites have accomplished.
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Honest question... does this help end racism and win people to DEI side?

https://thepostmillennial.com/black-...campaign=64470
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Originally Posted by PipeMan
Of course there are successful and wealthy blacks and Hispanics across the country. I never said there weren't. However, who is the company going after with the DEI push? Are they also getting poor white kids in addition to the underprivileged minorities from the poorer areas? I don't see any evidence of that. the DEI is to make minorities achieve the same and more than what society perceives whites have accomplished.
Although DEI is seemingly about equity and inclusion, there is zero effort to include solely by social status/wealth. DEI is about about pushing the oppressed forward. It started with the traditional groups: color and gender, and now has expanded to less traditional groups, mostly concerning gender/attraction/self-identification. The movement will never be there to support poor white kids from W-Virginia. And maybe that is because they aren't their target audience because they tend to vote against the party that promotes DEI. I think we can all agree there was racism/misogyny in the past. And we can all disagree on how to move forward from there......
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