RJSAviator76

So... what? You gents have already thrown in the towel?

RJSAviator76

hoover

nah, but I think its important to keep th pressure on the NC via our reps via the pilots.
You know the company is going to start coming at us by negotiating in public and around the union.

RJSAviator76

No doubt about that. In fact, they've already started with "industry-leading domestic per diem" and higher reimbursements for FAA physical.... 🤣

Damn near unanimous SAV, and BoJo is talking about spirit parties, and celebrations. What an out-of-touch buffoon! Well... my expectation from the NC and the BOD is to keep saying NO, dig in, and keep asking for declaration of impasse. That SAV was the missing ingredient in 2016. Now that ingredient is here.

Also, the management playbook is out.... anyone with half a brain should be expecting the company to say how SWAPA is unreasonable and have them throw out a few items. Again, take the SWAPA management playbook and start checking them off right in public.

I do think that especially in light of this SAV, continually bashing this pilot group and "forecasting" should be put on hold. Who knows.... maybe a day less spent being miserable might be a good thing?

AvwriterJoe

Comprehensive coverage on Simple Flying: https://simpleflying.com/southwest-a...horize-strike/

Hobbit64

The article, as I understand the RLA (@LewBronski) was incorrect in one detail. The PEB can Not be indefinite. It has only 30 days to offer a recommendation for the parties to consider for 30 more days.

If I misunderstand this fine point, someone please correct me.

BTW, the best summation of the state of affairs at SWA to date, and my personal belief: “We don’t want to kill the golden goose, But We *Do* want to hear it’s Safety Word!”
nothin personal, jus bizness

It could’ve been a much easier swa management; but y’all chose the hard route
Vax Stance
1221
10% & Force Majeure (HaHaHa!!! GTFO!)
Oprah style Bonuses for all the members of the cool kids clique even after the latest meltdown
No investment in the operation
Caving in to small groups that have built stovepiped power fiefdoms of tribalism threatening the careers of members of other work groups’ based on proven false accusations with no recourse

whew! I feel better
</rant>
Done. File for the Impasse NOW

Hobbit64

The article, as I understand the RLA (@LewBronski) was incorrect in one detail. The PEB can Not be indefinite. It has only 30 days to offer a recommendation for the parties to consider for 30 more days.

If I misunderstand this fine point, someone please correct me.

BTW, the best summation of the state of affairs at SWA to date, and my personal belief: “We don’t want to kill the golden goose, But We *Do* want to hear it’s Safety Word!”
nothin personal, jus bizness

It could’ve been a much easier swa management; but y’all chose the hard route
Vax Stance
1221
10% & Force Majeure (HaHaHa!!! GTFO!)
Oprah style Bonuses for all the members of the cool kids clique even after the latest meltdown
No investment in the operation
Caving in to small groups that have built stovepiped power fiefdoms of tribalism threatening the careers of members of other work groups’ based on proven false accusations with no recourse

whew! I feel better
</rant>
Done. File for the Impasse NOW

Lewbronski

Well said.

Reminding people to "stay frosty" and, like both Delta and Alaska experienced after their similar SAV result, to expect a TA to be forwarded to the membership within a few months because it meets the now-obsolete goals of FP2020, does not equal "being miserable." The SAV and the outcome SWAPA just produced is awesome, and an especially big step for our pilot group, but it's not the end of the road.

If, within the next six months, the company presents an offer to SWAPA that meets many of the goals of the outdated FP2020, the discussion at SWAPA might become that they're obliged to send it to the membership for reasons like: A) not doing so could risk some sort of DFR claim against them, and B) FP2020 was all they ever advertised they were going to attempt to achieve. Their "mandate" from the membership doesn't authorize them to sacrifice members' time value of money and so on in order to pursue goals beyond those laid out in FP2020.

At this point, the company would be lucky to get away with a contract the only meets a significant portion of the targets set by FP2020. A TA like that would be less than what we can achieve in this environment. But you couldn't really blame SWAPA for sending it to the membership for the cited reasons. It would be up to the membership to vote it down and empower SWAPA with the leverage to go back for more and better if that's what the membership really wants when and if that happens. The membership might be just fine settling for FP2020.

Regardless of all of the above, we don't yet have the company up against the ropes. Though we have bloodied them a little bit, if we become overconfident now, we risk settling for less than we can achieve. We're not yet at "mission accomplished." We've seen how it can go when victory is declared prematurely.

If all of that is "being miserable" to RJS, then we're going to have to agree to disagree on that point.

waterskisabersw

This forum should have gotten a Like button when they changed formats. Instead they just got rid of the reply button.

symbian simian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ET9ymB3JIo

Awesome SAV result!