Originally Posted by Lewbronski

Arguably, Delta also has better sick leave "accrual," esp if you're not a high-time flier. After their fourth year, a Delta pilot gets 125 sick leave credit hours per year.

125 credit hours * 1.149 = 143 TFP of sick time per year. To earn 143 TFP of sick time, a SWA pilot would need to earn 1,430 straight-time TFP in a year, or an average of just under 120 straight TFP/month. Remember, premium time only accrues at the straight-time value.

The first 120 credit hours of their sick time used each year does not require a doctor's note. So, you could argue that only the first 120 hours of a Delta pilots sick time "accrual" is comparable to a SWA pilot's accrual. So, using the same math process as above, that equals 1,379 straight TFP per year, or 115 straight TFP per month that is like a SWA pilot's sick leave in not requiring a doctor's note.

Delta pilots' sick leave bank increases from 50 credit hours the first year up to 270 hours by the 20th year.

For a pilot who just flies their line or doesn't pick up much extra, from the fourth year on, an argument can be made that Delta's sick leave accrual is better than hours. OTOH, I believe their sick leave is use or lose each year. If you're a person that calls in sick very often, that's not a big deal. But if you're a person who rarely calls in sick, then SWA's sick leave program is probably better in your eyes.

And, it could also be argued that even though SWA does not require a doctor's note at all for sick leave usage, you stand a good chance of getting hit with a "wellness check" from a CP or possibly even an attempt at a FFD if you're not keeping the chief pilot in the loop if you're using a bunch of sick leave at SWA.

Originally Posted by flyguy81

Is that conversion correct? Isn’t it hourly / 1.15 = tfp when figuring time?

$235/tfp * 1.15 = $270/hr for pay since the $235 is based on 52 min.

A tfp = 52 min so you can’t multiply 60 (1 hr sick pay) by 15% to get a higher number than 52.

125 sick hours at Delta would be 109 tfp or earning guarantee at SWA. Except at SWA you have the ability to bank more if you earn more than guarantee….not at Delta since it’s earned based on longevity

We def can’t accrue 270/yr but they can’t bank it for future years or cash out either.

Originally Posted by Prospect

I personally prefer earning slightly less sick leave per year that carries over and requires no notes. If we can cash it out then that makes it the obvious better choice. I'd also put our scheduling system / flexibility ahead of anyone else's.

Originally Posted by Prospect

I personally prefer earning slightly less sick leave per year that carries over and requires no notes. If we can cash it out then that makes it the obvious better choice. I'd also put our scheduling system / flexibility ahead of anyone else's.

Originally Posted by Mozam

I am not willing to give up anything. Also our scheduling system sucks. Who else is forced to work 16 hr duty days and the normal is a 11 hour overnight at places without food .

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

You’re right. I would agree that under their new contract, their sick leave is more desirable than ours with the exception of a required doctor’s note. Screw that. That alone would trip a note vote from me. Nope. No way. No how.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

Sure. As long as you want to work more or are super senior enough in your seat to get trips that others will actually pick up.

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

It's almost like a Delta-style sick leave plan would have a better chance of garnering yes votes here if we just capped yearly sick leave usage at 120 no-sick-note credit hours (138 TFP) and gave us Delta's disability plan. It seems like if we also retained Delta-style sick leave allowances beyond 120 credit hours (138 TFP), the plan would stand less of a chance of passing because doctor's notes would be involved even though their rate of no-sick-note "accrual" is better for a large portion of the pilot group than SWA's rate of accrual.

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

Exactly.

And I'll add that even when I have been about as senior as I could get in my seat position, not even close to all of my trips would get picked up.

But Prospect has only been here for eight months. He/she is still learning.