Example rates required to match DL
05-13-2023, 07:53 PM
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On our internal SWAPA forum we now have pilots posting “burn the place down” and “max pay till the last day” type of posts. The level of anger of this pilot group is building at an increasing rate. NEVER would I have thought I’d witness it when I came over from the other side of the partition about a decade ago. Back then this place was the wonder airline and RSW pilots’ excrement didn’t stink. Now it’s devolved to the point where you even have a “Summer of No Luv” thread that was started. Granted, the operation doesn’t resemble the UAL Summer of Love from yesteryear as the metal is still thoroughly moving.
I’ll take my goose flash fried please…..
05-13-2023, 08:23 PM
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Yes, you are lucky. I’m on a first-name basis with Kerrey at Resolute. Should put her on my Christmas card list.
05-13-2023, 10:10 PM
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125 credit hours * 1.149 = 143 TFP of sick time per year. To earn 143 TFP of sick time, a SWA pilot would need to earn 1,430 straight-time TFP in a year, or an average of just under 120 straight TFP/month. Remember, premium time only accrues at the straight-time value.
The first 120 credit hours of their sick time used each year does not require a doctor's note. So, you could argue that only the first 120 hours of a Delta pilots sick time "accrual" is comparable to a SWA pilot's accrual. So, using the same math process as above, that equals 1,379 straight TFP per year, or 115 straight TFP per month that is like a SWA pilot's sick leave in not requiring a doctor's note.
Delta pilots' sick leave bank increases from 50 credit hours the first year up to 270 hours by the 20th year.
For a pilot who just flies their line or doesn't pick up much extra, from the fourth year on, an argument can be made that Delta's sick leave accrual is better than hours. OTOH, I believe their sick leave is use or lose each year. If you're a person that calls in sick very often, that's not a big deal. But if you're a person who rarely calls in sick, then SWA's sick leave program is probably better in your eyes.
And, it could also be argued that even though SWA does not require a doctor's note at all for sick leave usage, you stand a good chance of getting hit with a "wellness check" from a CP or possibly even an attempt at a FFD if you're not keeping the chief pilot in the loop if you're using a bunch of sick leave at SWA.
05-14-2023, 02:24 AM
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Arguably, Delta also has better sick leave "accrual," esp if you're not a high-time flier. After their fourth year, a Delta pilot gets 125 sick leave credit hours per year.
125 credit hours * 1.149 = 143 TFP of sick time per year. To earn 143 TFP of sick time, a SWA pilot would need to earn 1,430 straight-time TFP in a year, or an average of just under 120 straight TFP/month. Remember, premium time only accrues at the straight-time value.
The first 120 credit hours of their sick time used each year does not require a doctor's note. So, you could argue that only the first 120 hours of a Delta pilots sick time "accrual" is comparable to a SWA pilot's accrual. So, using the same math process as above, that equals 1,379 straight TFP per year, or 115 straight TFP per month that is like a SWA pilot's sick leave in not requiring a doctor's note.
Delta pilots' sick leave bank increases from 50 credit hours the first year up to 270 hours by the 20th year.
For a pilot who just flies their line or doesn't pick up much extra, from the fourth year on, an argument can be made that Delta's sick leave accrual is better than hours. OTOH, I believe their sick leave is use or lose each year. If you're a person that calls in sick very often, that's not a big deal. But if you're a person who rarely calls in sick, then SWA's sick leave program is probably better in your eyes.
And, it could also be argued that even though SWA does not require a doctor's note at all for sick leave usage, you stand a good chance of getting hit with a "wellness check" from a CP or possibly even an attempt at a FFD if you're not keeping the chief pilot in the loop if you're using a bunch of sick leave at SWA.
125 credit hours * 1.149 = 143 TFP of sick time per year. To earn 143 TFP of sick time, a SWA pilot would need to earn 1,430 straight-time TFP in a year, or an average of just under 120 straight TFP/month. Remember, premium time only accrues at the straight-time value.
The first 120 credit hours of their sick time used each year does not require a doctor's note. So, you could argue that only the first 120 hours of a Delta pilots sick time "accrual" is comparable to a SWA pilot's accrual. So, using the same math process as above, that equals 1,379 straight TFP per year, or 115 straight TFP per month that is like a SWA pilot's sick leave in not requiring a doctor's note.
Delta pilots' sick leave bank increases from 50 credit hours the first year up to 270 hours by the 20th year.
For a pilot who just flies their line or doesn't pick up much extra, from the fourth year on, an argument can be made that Delta's sick leave accrual is better than hours. OTOH, I believe their sick leave is use or lose each year. If you're a person that calls in sick very often, that's not a big deal. But if you're a person who rarely calls in sick, then SWA's sick leave program is probably better in your eyes.
And, it could also be argued that even though SWA does not require a doctor's note at all for sick leave usage, you stand a good chance of getting hit with a "wellness check" from a CP or possibly even an attempt at a FFD if you're not keeping the chief pilot in the loop if you're using a bunch of sick leave at SWA.
05-14-2023, 02:25 AM
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Omg, that sounds like a blast. Seriously.
05-14-2023, 03:51 AM
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For a pilot who just flies their line or doesn't pick up much extra, from the fourth year on, an argument can be made that Delta's sick leave accrual is better than hours. OTOH, I believe their sick leave is use or lose each year. If you're a person that calls in sick very often, that's not a big deal. But if you're a person who rarely calls in sick, then SWA's sick leave program is probably better in your eyes.
And, it could also be argued that even though SWA does not require a doctor's note at all for sick leave usage, you stand a good chance of getting hit with a "wellness check" from a CP or possibly even an attempt at a FFD if you're not keeping the chief pilot in the loop if you're using a bunch of sick leave at SWA.
And, it could also be argued that even though SWA does not require a doctor's note at all for sick leave usage, you stand a good chance of getting hit with a "wellness check" from a CP or possibly even an attempt at a FFD if you're not keeping the chief pilot in the loop if you're using a bunch of sick leave at SWA.
It's irrelevant because if you don't use it here, you don't care that it's in there unless you have a STD/LTD/LOL issue. And at Delta, they have a plan to protect you for STD/LTD/LOL, so you don't need to stockpile your sick bank.
As for the doctor's note, if you read the details of their contract, it's not very onerous. You just need a note from a doctor. My ears (and my doctor friends inform me this is 100% for all pilots) are permanently swollen because of the number of pressure cycles we have. Get sick? Just say your ears were really hurting and hard to clear. I've used this to great effect at former airlines that had "draconian" doctor's note policies.
In terms of the pain in the butt for having to go to the doctor, if your call triggers a doctor's note, the company will pull your next trip out of their bank to get you to go to the doctor to do it.
Sure, not as great as simply having ~310 sick trips per year, but leaps and bounds better than our policy.
05-14-2023, 04:14 AM
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Minor correction, but as of the recent PWA, doctor's note is no longer required at any point. Any qualified health care professional counts, including teledoc.
05-14-2023, 04:48 AM
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05-14-2023, 05:06 AM
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Section 14 – Sick Leave Sick Leave Verification The following provisions that outline when a pilot is required to verify their sick leave under Section 14 F. have been improved: • The verification trigger has been increased from 100 to 120 hours. • Once the new 120-hour trigger has been met under Section 14 F., a pilot only needs to provide a QHCP certificate, or at pilot’s option, a doctor’s certificate. • The 160-hour doctor certificate requirement has been eliminated. Automated Call-In Sick & Call-In Well Pilots will be able to utilize an automated system to call in sick or well (rather than having to call Crew Scheduling or Pilot Assist). The system must be in place in place no later than March 1, 2024. The automated system will not require a pilot to furnish the Company with any details other than to indicate whether they are sick or well. Improved “Good Faith Basis” Provisions Along with the improved verification trigger, the Good Faith Basis (GFB) provisions have been improved so that any pilot who uses 50 or fewer hours in the previous sick leave year will not be subject to any good faith basis inquiry in the current sick leave year, regardless of the circumstances. Furthermore, any request from the Company to verify an illness under GFB, must be made within 3 calendar days after the start date of the sick event in question, and must also disclose all of the specific reason(s) in support of the GFB inquiry. Deleted “Major Bone” Provisions • Any single sick leave event that uses 100 hours or more is now considered verified upon the pilot providing a Doctor’s Certificate to the Company, and such hours are not counted towards the 120-hour verification limit in Section 14 F. 3. • Existing limitations under this provision related to major bones, acute, chronic, or degenerative conditions, or hospital admissions have been completely removed.
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