Example rates required to match DL
05-13-2023, 03:09 AM
#21
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
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What he said is ALMOST entirely false.
Our vacation bidding is better. That's it.
I won't even say that our reserve days off are better than some because it implies that our reserve is better which is absolutely not true. Just the fact that we get a few extra days off in there, which in and of itself is outweighed by the fact that they have long call reserve.
Our vacation bidding is better. That's it.
I won't even say that our reserve days off are better than some because it implies that our reserve is better which is absolutely not true. Just the fact that we get a few extra days off in there, which in and of itself is outweighed by the fact that they have long call reserve.
05-13-2023, 05:24 AM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,920
Medical/dental insurance is better than pretty much anyone in the industry. Ask how much the monthly premiums for lowest deductible plan for a family is over at Delta…I’ll wait.
05-13-2023, 05:33 AM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,803
What he said is ALMOST entirely false.
Our vacation bidding is better. That's it.
I won't even say that our reserve days off are better than some because it implies that our reserve is better which is absolutely not true. Just the fact that we get a few extra days off in there, which in and of itself is outweighed by the fact that they have long call reserve.
Our vacation bidding is better. That's it.
I won't even say that our reserve days off are better than some because it implies that our reserve is better which is absolutely not true. Just the fact that we get a few extra days off in there, which in and of itself is outweighed by the fact that they have long call reserve.
05-13-2023, 06:03 AM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,920
Bank accrual is not concessionary
Our current banks are paid out at 100% at whatever pay rate we decide to cash out at.
That’s obv a no go for the company.
I earned around 170 to my sick bank last year. I’ll earn less this year as I don’t need to work as hard on CA pay…but I’ll be significantly more than guarantee. I’d have to look and see what UAL/DL/FedEx earn when a TA comes out.
05-13-2023, 06:51 AM
#26
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 74
Look, I'm not saying we don't deserve a large raise or to fix items in our contract. I'm saying asking for $600/tfp is just silly, unrealistic, and not what SWAPA is trying for, so I don't understand why Lew makes post after long post arguing for it. I'm also tired of the whiny people on here acting like our work rules are the worst in every way, when I pay 0 a month for excellent healthcare. We should fight to be the highest paid NB pilots with the best work rules. Much more than that is going to kill the golden goose and is frankly a waste of time.
05-13-2023, 06:53 AM
#27
gets time off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,234
Well, I'm at WN. Feel free to mind your own business if you don't know what you're talking about.
WN has many things in our contract that are better QOL wise than anyone else, DL included. Second, Lews analysis has pilots at 76 captain rates or greater every year after the first. Only a few Delta pilots have just recently been able to achieve that. Mathematically, it will never be a large number, unless they're doing CA/CA flights there and nobody told me.
My questions were for Lew, but thanks for chiming in.
WN has many things in our contract that are better QOL wise than anyone else, DL included. Second, Lews analysis has pilots at 76 captain rates or greater every year after the first. Only a few Delta pilots have just recently been able to achieve that. Mathematically, it will never be a large number, unless they're doing CA/CA flights there and nobody told me.
My questions were for Lew, but thanks for chiming in.
05-13-2023, 07:12 AM
#28
Spikes the Koolaid
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: 737
Posts: 403
While our reserve is better than United though, it is not "better... than anyone else", which was the original bar prospect made in the quote above. (Ironically, because Delta's is definitely better.
A lot of people bring up our sick accrual, which I considered bringing up in my original post, but decided against it because our sick accrual is not actually fully sick accrual. The company considers it to be partially for disability and loss of license, hence why they're trying to gut it to give us LTD/STD/LOL.
I disagree with the company's assertion, but in the end it's irrelevant. Our sick accrual is fine, but because there are plenty of ways that you can get sick here that result in you quite literally being left to die by the company, our health coverage sucks.
In other words, it would be like saying we have industry leading dental because pulling teeth is completely free, while having no other dental coverage at all. That's great and all, but I would violently hate any dental insurance that only covered that one item, no matter how well it covers it.
Which leads to dental/vision/medical coverage that some brought up. Again, that's all well and good, the regular plan especially, but given that you lose ALL of it in the event that you actually get sick, it completely obliterates the benefit of it.
Our health coverage sucks. Period. That we have some nice items does not negate the fact that the whole system is trash.
05-13-2023, 07:45 AM
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,778
Question for you. Do you think what you're proposing ($550/tfp) is anywhere near the realm of possibility of what SWAPA is even trying to attach? Do you think it would be productive to go to the company and say, "we want to keep all of the parts of our contract that are better than OALs, match them on all the parts that are worse, and we want you to pay us enough to make more than the couple top earning pilots in Delta history, assuming that all of their flying is on the 76 from the start and not the 75 (which is the actual case), despite that they are flying much larger planes that generate more revenue."
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