dera

That's probably smart given the BNA near-disaster you guys had.

Smooth at FL450

The way I read it, "prior to every flight" is the key language, to include those circumstances where the next crew is not yet at the gate to meet the inbound crew. "Terminating" means there is not a next flight. AOM 6.2 and 13.6.1 were amended to include the new language, while AOM 14.1 Terminating Procedures was not.

The only changes I see in Terminating Procedures are to keep the AC on while pax are deplaning and to call dispatch with mx issues even if base maintenance personnel have met the aircraft.

flyguy81

There’s a bolded note in the AOM that says a walk around is req’d IN a mx station/base UNLESS mx personnel is there to take over.

Makes no sense to me…but not my rodeo.

Lewbronski

What's confusing me is under the "Overview" section of Bulletin 23-08, it says, "Additionally, an exterior postflight inspection is required anytime both operating Flight Deck Crew Members will not operate the next flight with the aircraft and an oncoming Flight Deck Crew Member is not present." Then, it says, "This bulletin supersedes information in the following sections and subsection," and goes on to list "B737 AOM 14.1 Terminating Procedures." Then, when I compare Section 14.1 Terminating Procedures side by side between the bulletin and the AOM, the big difference is that 14.1 from the bulletin does not include the verbiage explaining, "Except when at a maintenance base or maintenance station, complete an exterior postflight inspection unless Southwest Airlines Maintenance Personnel accept the responsibility. The First Officer normally accomplishes the exterior postflight inspection, but either Flight Deck Crew Member may accomplish the inspection. During night operations, use a flashlight regardless of ramp lighting conditions."

To me, that seems to indicate that since a terminating aircraft would appear to now fall under the newly defined criteria for a postflight inspection ("required anytime both operating Flight Deck Crew Members will not operate the next flight with the aircraft and an oncoming Flight Deck Crew Member is not present"), then a postflight inspection is required for every terminating flight, even at a maintenance station or base or even when maintenance personnel accept responsibility for the aircraft.

That's the way it seems to read now. But again, I'm not sure. And I could be missing something. I hope I'm wrong.

At best, the new procedures are needlessly confusing. And, at worst, they are designed to be pure harassment.

Shakinthefat

Wow a ramper who was working at Burger King the week before inspects the aircraft between turns? Is that blood from a bird strike or blob of grease? Is that hydraulic fluid or deice fluid or water? Is that pin holes from a lightening strike or rivets that are discolored? Tires? Turbine fans? How does the FAA allow?

Shakinthefat

what does the training entail? The ramper I know said he got no training other than a walk around with a supervisor in training.

Shakinthefat

it’s longer than 3 minutes when your making a TikTok about “my day as a pilot”

Smooth at FL450

thats what you get for getting too deep into the weeds! Read the new bulletin and stop there. That’s what I did.

DownAndDirty

I guess pin holes would be one way to lighten something.

GearAlarm

Agreed, no change to terminating procedures (as it relates to walk-arounds).